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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 14:58

The lettuce counter has now started for Starmer.
He is making an absolute hash of this.

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 14:58

Devonbabs · 05/08/2024 14:55

Ah another “you’re just thick if you don’t agree with me” rant that actually makes little sense.

🙄

TheNuthatch · 05/08/2024 14:58

dropoutin · 05/08/2024 14:52

OK I keep ignoring posts like this but can't any longer. A certain segment (not all) of the working class is concerned about increased immigration, and blames it (rightly or wrongly) for their stagnating living standards. I get it.

But you may remember a tiny little, barely significant thing that happened in 2016 called the Brexit referendum. After decades of simmering resentment, the political machinations of the country managed to align in such a way as to offer those people a CHANCE TO BE HEARD. And not only to be heard, but to influence the future of the country in an unprecedentedly radical way.

The debate leading up to the referendum was fractious, and many WC Leavers resented being characterised as thick or racist. They stuck to their guns, and not only did they get a referendum to have their views heard - they WON it! And even better, they properly stuck it to the out-of-touch liberal metropolitan Remoaner Labour party by tearing down the Red Wall and electing Working Class Hero Boris Johnson to see it through to fruition. Talk about being heard!

Hurrah! Except that unfortunately it appears to have achieved precisely fuck all, apart from exacerbating the country's economic problems and isolating us from potential solutions. It certainly hasn't helped reduce net migration figures, or improved the living standards of the poorest native-born Britons.

So it's just possible that Farage & Johnson took you all for a ride and you've been blaming the wrong people. "irregular" asylum seekers (small boats etc.) make up less than 5% of total immigration, and were never going to be reduced by Brexit anyway for obvious reasons. Most of them come from countries like Afghanistan and Iran where UK and western geopolitical policy has directly contributed to the social and economic disasters causing their citizens to flee. The other 95% will not be reduced precisely because both Tory and Labour governments know that doing so would tank the economy even further and in particular destroy services like the NHS upon which WC people (and others) depend. Meanwhile, the number of policy choices made by the last government in other areas that directly caused widespread poverty, crumbling public services and widening inequality is too large to even being listing them.

Meanwhile: When do I, or the class/political demographic I identify with, get to choose our favourite policy hobbyhorse and have a national referendum, with the power to change the nation's future trajectory for the better or (unfortunately) much much worse, designed around it specially for us?

And as for those who have had such a privilege: Is there ever going to come a time when they can admit that their problems are not about being "heard"? That they've been heard, and empowered with a mighty decision. That they just need to realise they got it wrong and stop looking around for people to blame (or, rather, START blaming the RIGHT people).

There were race riots in Oldham years before Brexit?

Izzymoon · 05/08/2024 14:59

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Well first on earlier posts you were suggesting the answer seemed to be to pause any and all immigration in order to sort out our own problems, now the issue is mental health? If the issue is mental health, where does immigration come in to it?

Personally I don’t think mental health becomes a justification for behaviour like this, it certainly wouldn’t be an excuse for the kid who just attacked all those children, unless
you’re suggesting the same excuse there?

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 15:00

FaintWhistle · 05/08/2024 14:51

I think English people are the most brainwashed on the planet - we are so quick to turn on our own kind

Many of the people posting here aren’t “my own kind”. They make me ashamed.

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 15:00

“What negatives of history shouldn't have focus? And by British culture, what do you mean?”
We shouldn’t be constantly hearing - oh the British Empire was the worst thing - just to reframe this nearly all of Europe were doing similar things, it was how the world was. We were just more successful at it than a lot of countries. You don’t hear the hate about this for other countries. Literally anything this country achieved historically is attacked. We should be celebrating the many many achievements which have come out of Britain, Britains role (specifically its navy in halting the trans Atlantic Slave trade. It’s thinkers, it’s inventors. We should be creating pride in Britain

Okay, so we can't speak about anything Britian did unless it was us in the right? That's erasing history,

“Personally, all the 'immigrants' where i live are very much very enmeshed in the local community. Community kitchens providing meals for the disadvantaged etc. I agree about the language, which is a service that is offered by their local communities. It's not an overnight thing either though. The vast vast majority speak the language,” - This is really not the experience many have once immigrants reach critical mass. There is no attempt to integrate. In many areas, particularly those with high numbers of Muslim immigrants many can’t speak English despite being here for decades. It needs to change. Everyone should have a minimum standard of English.
I very much doubt that we have whole communities without any integration. They work in those communities, their children attend schools and so on.

“Okay, this argument can easily be we shouldn't have anything for women specifically, it should be open to all?”

And I don’t think we should have having events which only seek to employ women or give girls only, an experience in say education
So you disagree about the push for Women in STEM?

We need to understand why young white working class boys don’t achieve as well as other groups at school.
Agreed, but a lot don't want to hear the answers.

and what do you think those answers are?
Poverty, lack of good education, parents not pushing for academia, not being an academic person. If your parents don't care for school/education, where is the push? I've seen this happen time and time again.

”It's quite common for people to build communities within a community. We have a local italian community where i live, should this not be allowed? They send all their kids to specific schools.”

The trouble arises not when a community is built within a community, it’s when the members of the sub community fail to acknowledge their primary membership should be of the wider community and they seek to replace the existing community.
Community can be many things at once. What is an action that you feel shows that the members of these communities fail to acknowledge their primary membership?

“If the police were acting in a racist way, we should call it out. Much like if they were being sexist or homophobic. ”

unfortunately many people are crying this every time the police go near their community and often it results in what a lot of people perceive as favourable treatment.
If the police act in a racist manner, they should be called out on it, Like with all forms of bigotry.

“I don't see the correlation on this personally. It's not supposed to be a slice of pie, others getting a slice shouldn't remove your slice. it doesn’t really matter whether you see the correlation or not. The people rioting do. There are always going to be limits on resources, the resources most affected by immigration are those that are used by many people at the lower end of the economic and educational ladder. Sometimes perception is enough to create a problem. What are people here doing to convince the rioters it’s not a problem if that’s what they believe.
But again, the lack of housing isn't down to immigrants. The under funding of our NHS isn't down to immigrants. If these people rioting were discussing the actual issues rather than putting up a strawman Immigrant argument, people would engage with them.

But again, acknowledging there is a privilege to being a white male is a step our society as a whole needs to take. No-one is saying that all white men have it perfect, we know that's far from true. But it's also possible to note that you have it hard and admit others have it hard in other ways,”
This is far too nuanced for it to be generally understood. What someone, who hasn’t been able to get a job, is living on the breadline , has not had help at school, etc hears is, don’t complain your privileged, it’s inflammatory language. We need to do better
IThe privilege remark is usually in response to stupid sayings like "oh white men are the least wanted etc" so no. I'm white and i live on the breadline yet i'm not the one rioting and pretending to be a victim.

Izzymoon · 05/08/2024 15:01

Devonbabs · 05/08/2024 14:58

I know you keep using the word “inflammatory” to try and tag something as hare speech lol, but you really don’t appear to have had the experience that many on here have had.

Keep using?
I’ve actually used it one time for one particular post, which yes describing living next to non white people as being “hemmed in” is pretty inflammatory.

mm81736 · 05/08/2024 15:02

So here's a starter for 10.You try to change things through democratic means-the ballot box.
Your party polls 14% of the vote but only gets 5 of the seats whilst libdem gets fewer votes than you and 72 seats.
Where next?

Pannyfrants · 05/08/2024 15:02

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BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 15:03

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Fucking hell. The shark has just been jumped.

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 15:04

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 15:03

Fucking hell. The shark has just been jumped.

I mean, which is it? Is he not doing the nazi salute? or is he doing it but everyone is ignoring him, poor thing?

Izzymoon · 05/08/2024 15:04

mm81736 · 05/08/2024 15:02

So here's a starter for 10.You try to change things through democratic means-the ballot box.
Your party polls 14% of the vote but only gets 5 of the seats whilst libdem gets fewer votes than you and 72 seats.
Where next?

Well it would be interesting to know if any of these people voted yes for electoral reform when it was on the table.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/08/2024 15:06

Oh God. Until yesterday I had no concept of Douglas Murray either. He seems to be a chum of Jordan Peterson too. And he looks and sounds just like "Tim Nice But Dim".

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 15:06

Izzymoon · 05/08/2024 14:59

Well first on earlier posts you were suggesting the answer seemed to be to pause any and all immigration in order to sort out our own problems, now the issue is mental health? If the issue is mental health, where does immigration come in to it?

Personally I don’t think mental health becomes a justification for behaviour like this, it certainly wouldn’t be an excuse for the kid who just attacked all those children, unless
you’re suggesting the same excuse there?

You are not capable of considering both issues?

Yes we need a pause to rehouse the thousands of migrants already stuck in hellholes for years, it is disgusting that we have families living in one room for years on end. We need time to process everyone that arrived in the last 12 months (one million and that is just the ones we know about)

And

We need to understand that in some parts of society mental health is at rock bottom due to the unbelievable demand since the pandemic. So of course I look at that older guy appearing to do a salute of some kind and question his capacity and whether the photo is even real. Given the millions of British people that died at the hands of the nazis just a generation ago, I find it hard to believe people have suddenly forgotten that. So I am struggling to believe a lot of this stuff.

Uricon2 · 05/08/2024 15:07

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 15:03

Fucking hell. The shark has just been jumped.

I had to read it 3 times because I actually couldn't comprehend that anyone would scrape the barrel of neofascist support quite so desperately.

Add it to the bingo card, we should pity Nazis because they might not be sieg heiling, they might be doing ...something...else. Or be poorly.

CassieMaddox · 05/08/2024 15:07

Northernnature · 05/08/2024 14:22

Have you got reading difficulties? I said the 90s!

I remember Britain at the end of the 1997 Conservative government being in a similar state as to the end of this last Conservative government- broken NHS, people dying on trolleys, homelessness everywhere, hostility to gay people and section 28, vilification of single parents and teenage mothers, "benefits scroungers" taking all the houses.

Labour sorted that out, it took a while but things were much better.

Give them longer than 4 weeks to do it again.

EasternStandard · 05/08/2024 15:07

mm81736 · 05/08/2024 15:02

So here's a starter for 10.You try to change things through democratic means-the ballot box.
Your party polls 14% of the vote but only gets 5 of the seats whilst libdem gets fewer votes than you and 72 seats.
Where next?

I’m not sure our system will ever change as the majority party won’t go for it, but I did wonder what would happen when Reform would get about half Labour’s votes but have much lower representation

Adding to a pressure cooker

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 15:08

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 15:06

You are not capable of considering both issues?

Yes we need a pause to rehouse the thousands of migrants already stuck in hellholes for years, it is disgusting that we have families living in one room for years on end. We need time to process everyone that arrived in the last 12 months (one million and that is just the ones we know about)

And

We need to understand that in some parts of society mental health is at rock bottom due to the unbelievable demand since the pandemic. So of course I look at that older guy appearing to do a salute of some kind and question his capacity and whether the photo is even real. Given the millions of British people that died at the hands of the nazis just a generation ago, I find it hard to believe people have suddenly forgotten that. So I am struggling to believe a lot of this stuff.

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You’re struggling to believe the pictures of men with swastika tattoos? Really?

Pannyfrants · 05/08/2024 15:09

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Uricon2 · 05/08/2024 15:09

Serious question @Hummingbird75 , have you ever seen neofascists demonstrating IRL?

Izzymoon · 05/08/2024 15:10

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 15:06

You are not capable of considering both issues?

Yes we need a pause to rehouse the thousands of migrants already stuck in hellholes for years, it is disgusting that we have families living in one room for years on end. We need time to process everyone that arrived in the last 12 months (one million and that is just the ones we know about)

And

We need to understand that in some parts of society mental health is at rock bottom due to the unbelievable demand since the pandemic. So of course I look at that older guy appearing to do a salute of some kind and question his capacity and whether the photo is even real. Given the millions of British people that died at the hands of the nazis just a generation ago, I find it hard to believe people have suddenly forgotten that. So I am struggling to believe a lot of this stuff.

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Odd that you are struggling to believe it when there are posters on this thread who are able to talk themselves into justifying it. Sure loads of ordinary Germans gave the nazi salute, what’s the big deal apparently?

Are you happy for the actions of the 17 year old who killed three young children to be brushed off as poor mental health? Do you feel nothing more for him other than pity, just as the nazi?
Surely no one would do that without having a normal mental health, but at what point is that not justification?

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/08/2024 15:10

I'm beginning to think the 77th Brigade has let the intern have a go at posting.....

CassieMaddox · 05/08/2024 15:12

Deardeidree · 05/08/2024 14:32

We need to understand why young white working class boys don’t achieve as well as other groups at school.

Why don’t you examine their culture? What are they being taught at home? is it a lack of fathers?

well isn’t that what certain folk always say when Black or Asian youth aren’t perceived to be doing well in something?

Also fun fact - a working class white boy with no qualifications has more chance of getting hired than a working class black boy with no qualifications. Same with say a uni educated black kid vs a uni educated white kid who have identical qualifications.

There’s a massive body of research which proves racism at all stages of the recruitment process if you have a surname or first name that’s considered non-white. Even if you filter through the earlier stages due to being a black kid with a name like David Smith you can’t really hide your race at the interviews.

It’s funny according to poster like that, we apparently don’t need to uplift or target certain minorities who have historically been discriminated against and held back but yet when white boys are not passing their exams we need to sit down and figure it out. Hmm funny that.

Can we also figure out how we can stop the justice system punishing black boys more harshly than white boys too then ? How we make recruitment processes less racist so black and Asian people don’t always have to work harder and apply for more jobs than the white candidates to get the jobs/promotions ?

Or do we become colour blind again for those things not adversely affecting white boys ?

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It's just cherry picking to suit their argument. "Dog in a manger" behaviour about initiatives that might improve other people's lives.

Strangely not a dicky bird about the Conservatives choice to cut sure start centres that have been proven to increase academic attainment for people living near them. A lot of those were in white working class areas. 🙄

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 15:12

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LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 15:12

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/08/2024 15:06

Oh God. Until yesterday I had no concept of Douglas Murray either. He seems to be a chum of Jordan Peterson too. And he looks and sounds just like "Tim Nice But Dim".

Oh no DM is fearsomely clever. Dont underestimate him.

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