Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

We need to listen to those who are willing and able to express their views through peaceful, democratic channels. We absolutely should not respond to the rantings of an angry mob. That would merely encourage lawless behaviour from any group that had "concerns" about anything

This.
You do not sit down for a cup of tea and a hug with people burning buildings with people inside.
Get them in prison, banged away from civilised society

The Guardian is wrong. The median sentence for riot in 2011 was 48 months

Again, thats not a solution. And as explained multiple times, people have listened and explained how the root causes are not immigration on many of the issues.

Why should anyone 'listen' to someone repeating incorrect information?

But immigration policy has sod all to do with the housing market and lack of social housing and everything to do with rampant global end stage capitalism. If immigration stopped tomorrow those in temporary housing or on the streets wouldn't just be handed a nice affordable place to live. Asylum seekers are housed in hotels that are no longer able to function as hotels because AirBnBs and other changes to the market have happened so quickly many traditional business models are collapsing.

The issue of costs associated with housing asylum seekers is between the government and the owners of the hotels - in this case a corporate chain - which will reflect mutual benefit to both sides, and fuck all benefit to those they are housing - not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because it's a lucrative opportunity aka disaster capitalism.

Poverty spawns industries. Regardless of the ethnicity / nationality / religion of the recipients of state help or charity, very rarely is there no political or economic gain behind it.

Those people in temporary housing right now, are there because when their landlord sold up, or forced them out in some way, couldn't afford to pay their original rent, nor the costs of accessing new accommodation (which has to be proved in triplicate -ask me how I know).

LHA is generally about 2/3 of local rents.

In what world does it make sense to house a homeless family at a cost to the LA of in the region of 1000 a week in one room with a .microwave, away from support systems or potential employment, yet claim their rent of 1000 pcm is too high for the LA to pay?

Funnily enough this has fuck all to do with immigration. As do hospital waiting lists, inability to access GPs etc. It's economics pure and simple.

So can I have your solution to that without pointing at any scapegoat but concentrating on the economic inequity that is either being engineered to create enough division to permanently destabilise the world globally for whatever regime is being cooked up, or is happening by pure bad management which frankly looks less and less credible by the day.

So - your solution again? Still listening.

At the end of the day, those that are rioting are also people that live here.

They are allowed to say their lives are unbearable and they have essentially lost all hope.
If their only way of communicating due to a lack of good education, contacts or literacy is shout on the streets, that is on us (as a country) as well.

There is no sense in screaming back. We need to lower the temperature.
Start hearing about what has gone so badly wrong in their lives that they are willing to lose everything to protest in Middlesborough or elsewhere.

Closing down the debate is dangerous in this scenario. That is my view. Definitely not condoning violence and racism, but matching outrage with outrage is a strategy guaranteed to fail.

Wait so do these posters also agree that we should listen to what violent incel men have to say about women? Or are we ok to not listen to then?

@MistressoftheDarkSide Nail on the head there,

If their only way of communicating due to a lack of good education, contacts or literacy is shout on the streets, that is on us (as a country) as well

Oh yes, that's all they're doing, using their voices to shout loudly. 🙄
Stop minimising.

And it is really, really not hard to legitimately air your concerns without resorting to taking part in a riot.

Can I ask exactly what ‘not integrating’ means…

is it not learning the language (the UK is world famous for its poor knowledge of other languages, even if they live there)
is it wearing different clothes?
Eating different food?
Having a different religion?

What is it? You can’t blame them for the housing crisis - that’s the sell off of council housing, right to buy and second/third/50th homeowners.

You can’t blame them for the NHS, that’s down to poor management, lack of meaningful investment, back door privatisation and huge recruitment problems. They can’t recruit GPs! Or nurses!

You definitely can’t blame them for the poor roads, they have been deliberately neglected until v recently

So, what have they done?

Im a veteran. A veteran who studied hard to gain more qualifications before I left so I wouldn’t struggle outside. The only homeless veterans I know of were dishonourably discharged for drink/drugs/violence/sexual offences. The number that are there from injuries PTSD is minimal.

Or you can keep hurling back insults and this will continue indefinitely...

@Devonbabs And why has he got to the stage where he has such a tattoo?

It’s 2024, as if anyone is trying to suggest there is any valid reason for someone to have a swastika tattoo.
There is one reason and one reason only, roaring, raging racism.
What a completely dangerous comment!

Well, a large part of it was because they'd lost a war, had punitive economic sanctions as a result, their economy was down the toilet and a bunch of very unpleasant people lead by someone with a small moustache promised all the answers, put said economy on a temporarily rehabilitating war footing, promised to "Make Germany Great Again" and "reclaim" land, while pointing and shouting "It's the Jews!" The Roma were largely elsewhere and their tragedy came due to German invasion and the RC church spoke out against the killings of disabled people.

As you clearly know so much about it and have "learned from history", you'll know that the Jewish population of Germany was longstanding and incredibly well integrated (Austria more antisemitic) It didn't save them and should be an abject lesson in "othering" people while failing to address the real issues in your society.

Can I be clear @Hummingbird75 are you disagreeing with condemning racists and particularly those racists who are destroying property and attacking people?

@Devonbabs Having valid concerns and wanting to discuss them is not racist. "Screeching" racist abuse and attacking people because their skin is a different colour to yours is racist.

I have to say that Sir Mark Rowley grabbing that reporter's microphone and smashing it on the ground just now outside the COBRA meeting is not good leadership.

I think Kier has been exemplary so far and he should speak sharply to Rowley about this.

Rowley is the head of the Met police and we trust him to end the violent thuggery on our streets, so he should not be behaving like a thug himself.

I think Kier probably just gave him a dressing down for letting things on the streets get so out of hand!

Yes. Or ISIS or Al Qaeda?

Exactly! Same with the slogans and chanting in the pro Palestine marches. I can’t even repeat what I read but for me it was as shocking as the riots seen in the last few days. I do not want either side of extremism in this country.

This really isn’t sounding like anything other than condoning and justifying.

Why are you refusing to acknowledge that they had a say like a month ago??? The entire country did. Turns out the appetite for that sort of extreme politics isn’t actually that high. Too bad.
Having a tantrum and burning a mosque is probably only going to make less hardline Reform voters turn off.

Yes, I mean WTAF.

I think there is some correlation with the housing issue and lack of it for poor people.

Definitely not condoning violence and racism

You are because you’re advocating rewarding it not punishing it.

But again, thats not on 'immigrants'. Social housing is based on need, not want. So if someone has a greater need, they move higher up the list.

Labour won a large majority round here this time.

I believe Jeremy Corbyn was much praised for being willing to sit down and listen to a variety of terrorists?