Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

In the aftermath of the BLM riots did you think politicians should be listening and being open minded with the rioters about how they felt they were being institutionally discriminated against, left behind, and not treated fairly or equally? Or did you think they should focus on stopping the riots and only listen to those who protested and acted peacefully and within the democratic process?

I choose to condemn racists and to treat them with contempt. They have nothing to say that I want to listen to.

I am eager to listen to disadvantaged people in our society who are able to express themselves without being racist. In fact, I spend a significant part of my working life doing just that. But I have boundaries and I am not willing to engage with racist bile.

It is extremely important that the government shows no willingness to listen to the thugs that have been terrorising our streets in recent days, or to their many online cheerleaders. We must guard against any impression that smashing up shops and setting buildings on fire will help to get your views heard. These people need to understand that, the more they riot, the less interested the rest of us will become in anything that they have to say. They have made their opinions are worthless.

And the solution?

In honesty, what do people mean by integrate? I live in a very multicultural area and everyone integrates. Local community festivals, local charities. Mosques delivering free meals to those who can't afford it and to our local homeless. A local homeless shelter staffed totally by volunteers in our local community who help them like giving free haircuts, giving them jobs and so on?

What about housing? Healthcare? Jobs? Schools? These have been mentioned on here by some claiming they are all failing due to immigration.

Yes it is inflammatory. Its irresponsible scare mongering, of the type beloved by MAGA supporting Trump voters. The sort that led to the Capitol riots where someone was killed.

You disgust me. I reported it because I don't think such incitement should be allowed to stand. MNHQ may disagree. But no right thinking person would be suggesting civil war as a likely outcome if far right rioters don't get their way.

And your post encapsulates perfectly why we will be facing something far worse in the future.

There is no willingness to even listen.
It is a very, very dangerous position.

Well said.

You'll have to expand further, i'm not sure which point you are talking about?

This is interesting because one of the arguments to help the people coming here is that we are a much richer country. That we have a duty for humanitarian reasons. However, why there are so many white British people and veterans living in such poverty in the North. This is nothing new. Why people are so triggered when someone say we should look after our own people first? Something that is perfectly normal in most countries. I have seen how people start being funny and asking clarify who are our own? Follow by you are racist. Second, yes once people move here is our responsibility. Integration and all. Preventing people to be radicalised or forced to do crime because they are poor. It is a complex thing and people are right to get anxious when no one gives an answer of how many more people we will take that are in dire poverty before affecting our communities. These are facts and reality.

I agree that we need really skillful leadership. Above all, we need leaders who are brave enough to clamp down on the inflammatory rhetoric that we see online. Comments about "civil war" for example.

Listening to valid concerns - yes.
Legitimising and appeasing racists - NO
There's a difference.

It is shame, because this is a forum and if we can't even discuss it openly, how are we ever going to reach some kind of consensus outside?

I didn’t vote Tory in 2010, I didn’t vote Boris, I didn’t vote for Brexit, I didn’t vote for the DUP and yet their views held NI to ransom… do I get permission to be a shitbag for being politically disenfranchised for almost 15 years? Or is the forgotten underclass only applicable when your concern is seeing more brown people?

But the BLM riots were listened to, and were not called thugs and all kinds of horrible names by the media and everyone else.

Do you not see the double standards here?

People saying - oh they should write to their MP, many probably haven’t got the literacy skills to do this effectively, most believe they wouldn’t be listened to. People are frustrated. Frustrated people get angry

Well, the CAB could help them write to their MP...oh, wait.

One of the three people up in court today owns (owned) a removal business. Not sure if he is one of the ones up in court today, but there was a Twitter user who was inciting violence - he works (worked) for Tata Steel. Both presumably perfectly able to write to their MP. Why were they out rioting/inciting rioting?

And why has he got to the stage where he has such a tattoo?

Just step back on moment to 1930s Germany. Why were all those Germans suddenly ok with persecuting Jews, Roma, blacks, disabled? Are all Germans racists? Or was there something else at play? We’re there two many pressures in society which made Germans think and act in ways they would probably never have considered?

Maybe if people really thought these things through and learned from history we wouldn’t be in this sorry state.

You were asked for a solution, you didn't give one. How can we have a discussion when you are not doing anything more than repeating that people aren't being listened to about their concerns. So when asked how to solve those concerns? Nothing?

Yes

I have heard what you said before, it may not be in my lifetime.

Can't we be honest and say this isn't working

Because no one is listening! It’s really really not hard.

No. A zero tolerance approach to racism and thuggery is not the problem.

The problem is the racism and thuggery itself.

We need to listen to those who are willing and able to express their views through peaceful, democratic channels. We absolutely should not respond to the rantings of an angry mob. That would merely encourage lawless behaviour from any group that had "concerns" about anything.

Yes I want to know the solutions proposed to solve “the problem”

Exactly, I'm willing to listen (genuinely)
What do you want to happen?

Maybe by starting to listen to peoples concerns, as suggested!

I agree;

Britain's most senior prosecutor has questioned whether heavy sentences given to last summer's rioters worked as an effective deterrence, challenging the received wisdom from senior judges and politicians.

Most prosecutors – in contrast to Starmer – fully endorsed the sentencing approach by judges that saw rioters receive an average sentence of 16.8 months, making the penalties four and half times longer than the average jail term for similar offences in 2010.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jul/03/riot-prosecutions-sentences-keir-starmer

How is this not an open discussion? There is quite a significant back and forth debate, however I completely disagree that all views should be legitimised.
Sometimes people are racist extremists and they shouldn’t be pandered to.
I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that the people who are rioting don’t want a reformed immigration policy, they aren’t interested in detailed policy changes, they aren’t interested in visa requirements, they simply want to close the borders which is ridiculous and not going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
I bet all these people with so called ‘reasonable concerns’ about immigration couldn’t tell you the first thing about the UK’s immigration policy and simply think we let in too many Muslims.

Which are? And then the solution?