Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

For the third time, this is what Starmer said about the BLM rioters (from opposition). I think he's very consistent.

Quite a lot of who have escaped one or more set of atrocities and would undoubtedly prefer not to find themselves in the midst of another.

@Hummingbird75 @Devonbabs you both seem convinced Starmer insulted and incited people to more violence by calling people who looted,burned and attacked right wing thugs. What would you call them?
Why do you think this situation is caused by Starmer? Was he in power for the last 14 years creating these situations with immigrants and lack of infrastructure for people? Has he had time to do more that respond to the violence?
As for who should the thugs talk to, well their councillor, MP, local authority ? Any other legitimate source. Do you really support civil unrest and want to see us slip into civil war because that's what it sounds like

But you said there wasn’t one. Now there is and it’s still not good enough. What do you actually want? Apart from negotiating with violent criminals?

He is odious and given far too much airtime. Wish he’d just fucked off to the US up Trump’s backside. Now he’s an MP he’s even more legitimised, which is sickening and it’s given some sort of green light to the National front thuggery we’re seeing.

BLM riots were not legitimised. Of course they were thugs. Anyone who loots and burns things and hurls racist insults and attacks the police is a thug. I’m not sure anybody is a “monster” and “moron” probably isn’t helpful but rioting with no clear motive and agenda is obviously not a very clever thing to do, whoever is doing it.

Good to see you finally say that the violence and looting and burning is not the “right way to go”, do you accept that that anyone who looted, was violent, burned things for this cause OR any other cause is a thug and should be faced with the full force of the law?

THIS!!!!!!!
FWIW I didn’t vote for Starmer but you can’t blame him when he’s been in charge for five minutes.

Maybe because no one has been listening. Maybe like on this thread when valid concerns are raised people won’t listen and start screeching racist? Maybe this is happening because no one has been listening and pressure has reached boiling point.

As I keep saying, in order to sort this out. People need to listen, they need to listen to these peoples experiences, their frustrations - certain views are allowed in polite society, others aren’t.

The people rioting have been disenfranchised from society, they don’t see the point in trying to lobby their MP, They feel unfairly treated.

Many people on this thread seem so far removed from the experience of many people in this country, it’s staggering.

People saying - oh they should write to their MP, many probably haven’t got the literacy skills to do this effectively, most believe they wouldn’t be listened to. People are frustrated. Frustrated people get angry.

Exactly.
As I said, wanting tough police measures and prison but "hang on, nooooo, we don't mean us!"

Exactly.

Calling out any and all forms of bigotry should be a given. Only it doesn't seem to be on the far right. The very ones who claim they want to protect 'our' women (they mean white women) but they only want to protect them against the brown ones. They're perfectly happy to go home and beat their own wives. Perfectly happy to sexually harass and assault women they see.

We have a choice - we can either keep condemning and treating people with contempt or we can try and listen and be open minded as to how the huge changes in our society have impacted them.

We need to debate as a society to create a fair and equal country that does not leave some parts of society behind, we must decide how we move forward into the future. Or we can sink to their level, shout back insults and continue the long descent downwards.

I have no idea who these people are, and I can not bear to watch the awful riots and the attacks on the police, but what I see is powerlessness, anger and years and years of neglect. Starmer can address this head on, and take the steam out of it by at least attempting to engage or he can lead us into a civil war - that is precisely where we are headed unless we are able to contain this soon.

Please direct me to where on this thread someone has raised a valid concern about a problem that is purely down to immigration, and they were then called racist?

In reality, they've been called out for using far right rhetoric or opinions about issues they have proven to not understand. Why should we listen to people when they are not showing evidence based arguments?

Exactly this! What is certainly not going to help is shouting “racist thugs” at these people. Why do people think this is going to help?

Dear Kier, I’ve been a very good boy all year. For Christmas can you please send all the brown people back.
And while you’re at it, improve public services whilst simultaneously cutting tax.
Ta
Love Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon

Sometimes people have to acknowledge that their views are not dictating policy because actually it’s a minority view that in many ways is detrimental to the country.
Most people don’t agree with these views.
The country should not pander to extremists of any type who think they can hold society to ransom via looting and violence.

Well their citizens advice bureau might be able to help them write a letter, if they hadn’t burnt it down.

You cannot justify violence just because you feel too disenfranchised to use peaceful methods to have your voice heard, whatever your cause. Nobody is going to listen to you whilst you’re burning down the police stations and advice centres that the community relies on, whilst maybe their friend or family member is a police officer who has been injured by you, whilst maybe they manage a shop that has been looted by you, they’ll be too upset by the harm your actions have done and busy picking up the pieces.

Yes absolutely do that. Rock up in Sunderland or Bolton or Rochdale tonight and see how interested the braying crowd of men is in talking to you about how alienated they feel in the political mainstream. They are there because they are enjoying the violence, there is no other credible reason to be there. The perpetrator of the the recent stabbing are under lock & key but the rioters want to continue and escalate criminal acts.

A viewpoint, whatever it is, deserves no respect at all when being put forward by attacking police & firebombing buildings.

I imagine this people feel betrayed by what happened to the conservative party they voted for in 2019 (which was replaced by a watered down palatable Sunak technocratic administration that failed to achieve anything for them)

And who is to blame here then? Johnson for his lies that led to him being sacked? Or Johnson & Farage for their lies about the prosperity that Brexit was to bring, where they blamed all the ills of British society on Johnny Foreigner.

I think you'll find the far right are very much passed treating others with contempt.

We need to debate as a society to create a fair and equal country that does not leave some parts of society behind, we must decide how we move forward into the future. Or we can sink to their level, shout back insults and continue the long descent downwards.
This has been spoken about many times on this thread, yet none of the thugs are doing so at all. They only care about ;stop the boats' not the actual root cause of the issues they face.

"Civil war"????
Stop being inflammatory please.

I have set out several times, as have others, the effects on an established community when large numbers of immigrants who do not want to integrate move into the area,

Of course, anyone that has been violent or racist should face the FULL force of the law. I will never ever condone racism or violence in any form. I feel terribly sorry for the families that are living in fear. This is an awful situation to be in.

But a few hundred convictions won't solve the issue underneath.

I am saying both things need to happen.
We need to really punish those that are violent, racist and harming others.

We also need to try and understand where all of this anger and resentment is coming from, and do what we can to address the issues.

It’s absolutely unreal to see right leaning posters, who traditionally are huge supporters of law and order, become apologists for violence, arson and looting. I feel as if I’ve woken up in a parallel universe. A dystopian one at that.

Hear hear. Absolute bunch of mealy mouthed hypocrites pretending that those performing Nazi salutes are somehow on the side of Jewish people, or that they really think women have value except as political capital when it suits, or that they give a toss about the benighted population of Gaza.

They must think that we're absolutely dumb as rocks.

And why do you think that is?

Why is it helpful to refuse to acknowledge that someone with a swastika tattoo who is attacking a mosque or small business owned by an immigrant, is in fact a racist?

Is it offensive to be called a racist for exhibiting violent racism?

Oh for heavens sake, this is not inflammatory. This is exactly what will happen. Where do you think we are headed?

This is why we need some really skilful leadership.