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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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Devonbabs · 05/08/2024 13:19

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 13:18

Why would you be worried if you're Jewish (Keir Starmer's wife is Jewish) - or a woman? I'm a woman and I am delighted. It's great that we've finally got a government that's going to work towards better pay for women, better support with childcare, get rid of foodbanks, improve the NHS and generally improve outcomes for all women and children in the UK.

Ah, the famous, “but my best friends black” move!

Starmer thinks women have penises so I wouldn’t think he can possibly work in women’s favour

User8646382 · 05/08/2024 13:20

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 13:18

You can take it as whatever you like. I’ll believe what you say if and when you back it up. You won’t though because either there is no proof or you’re too idle to look for it.

Edited

Lol. Keep your hair on.

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 13:20

kikisparks · 05/08/2024 13:17

If it was some other cause that you don’t agree with, and people were violently rioting, attacking people, burning things and looting would it justify it if they said “nothing else has worked to advance our cause?” In any event I’m not sure what else they have apparently tried that this is now the “last resort”. It’s also not abundantly clear what their “cause” is- if it’s “save our kids” this is definitely not the way to do that, if it’s “solve the economic and social issues facing our town” then this isn’t going to achieve that either, if it’s “make Britain white again” then it’s a racist movement and no I don’t think we need to listen to racists. The fact we don’t even really know what the rioters want means of course this is not going to work. Sadly there will be many locals who truly care about those towns and the issues facing them and who are doing good work in those areas, I imagine like citizens advice, and this is just hampering all of that.

Like I say defies belief that you will justify this. If this was done for a cause I believe in, say this was a group of animal rights activists, I would not be able to justify violence, theft and vandalism just because nothing else has worked. I would condemn their actions and argue that there is always another non violent way.

You can absolutely guarantee that if Extinction Rebellion was setting fire to cars and throwing bricks at the police, the same people on here arguing that 'violence is fine as a last resort' would be calling for them all to be hanged banged up in prison.

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:20

kikisparks · 05/08/2024 13:17

If it was some other cause that you don’t agree with, and people were violently rioting, attacking people, burning things and looting would it justify it if they said “nothing else has worked to advance our cause?” In any event I’m not sure what else they have apparently tried that this is now the “last resort”. It’s also not abundantly clear what their “cause” is- if it’s “save our kids” this is definitely not the way to do that, if it’s “solve the economic and social issues facing our town” then this isn’t going to achieve that either, if it’s “make Britain white again” then it’s a racist movement and no I don’t think we need to listen to racists. The fact we don’t even really know what the rioters want means of course this is not going to work. Sadly there will be many locals who truly care about those towns and the issues facing them and who are doing good work in those areas, I imagine like citizens advice, and this is just hampering all of that.

Like I say defies belief that you will justify this. If this was done for a cause I believe in, say this was a group of animal rights activists, I would not be able to justify violence, theft and vandalism just because nothing else has worked. I would condemn their actions and argue that there is always another non violent way.

So what do you suggest they do? Write a letter asking for the PM to please consider their view as well?

kikisparks · 05/08/2024 13:20

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:07

Yes they absolutely did!
And they were very violent and discriminatory towards the white police officers.

I live here, I saw what happened in the BLM riots and the looting and violence was off the scale. Thanks.

And that was all fine according to you as they were not being listened to and had no other way to express their views?

Or was it wrong then and wrong now? You can’t have it both ways.

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 13:20

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:19

Thank you.

We have tens of thousands of families in bedsits currently. We have tens of thousands waiting for social housing. We have over stretched hospitals, schools, GPs and some are at breaking point in some areas. Do you think it would be a responsible move by the current government to put a coherent immigration policy or even god forbid a temporary pause whilst we ensure the people currently here have a decent standard of living? To get a grip on the situation? Right now, for some people, particular the less wealthy in society it feels like no one has control of a sinking ship. For those that are most vulnerable in society this is a terrifying position to be in.

It boils down to this, we will continue to see riots, from all quarters, if we do not address the issues in this country.

Starmer has to get a grip and fast, and he won't achieve that by creating even more division!

You were given the opportunity to put forward your solution, but you don't seem to have added one? It's more opinion.

CurlewKate · 05/08/2024 13:20

@Devonbabs "We do not dehumanize anyone - everyone in this country is entitled to a view, everyone is entitled to protest and everyone should be represented. "

Of course everyone is entitled to protest. Do you think what is happening is legitimate protest?

Sammael · 05/08/2024 13:20

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AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 13:21

Devonbabs · 05/08/2024 13:19

Ah, the famous, “but my best friends black” move!

Starmer thinks women have penises so I wouldn’t think he can possibly work in women’s favour

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Ah the famous 'what kind of an answer is that?' move.

Clavinova · 05/08/2024 13:21

CurlewKate · 05/08/2024 13:10

@User8646382 "And remember, all opinions are equal, but some opinions are more equal than others"

Saying that Starmer was privately educated isn't an opinion, it's plain wrong!

He received a bursary for sixth form from the school so he was privately educated in the sixth form. Surrey County Council only covered fees up to age 16 for his year group:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/headmaster-keir-starmers-school-focus-children-not-politics/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/28/exclusive-hypocrite-keir-starmer-benefited-private-school-charity/

Head of school where Keir Starmer received bursary urges him to put children above politics

Principal of Reigate Grammar School in Surrey says Britain needs cohesion, not conflict

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/headmaster-keir-starmers-school-focus-children-not-politics

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 13:22

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 13:11

He actually ripped it off its cable and slammed it on the floor, are you condoning this?

So many police have been injured in recent days while standing up to the lawless racist thugs.

I can't say I blame Mark Rowley for reacting to a ridiculous question about "two-tier policing". We all know that this is bollocks and mainstream media organisations have a responsibility not to promote irresponsible and inflammatory far right rhetoric.

AgnesX · 05/08/2024 13:22

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:36

Kier Starmer is telling the majority of people what they want to hear,

Wrong

So what do YOU want to hear then?

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 13:22

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:20

So what do you suggest they do? Write a letter asking for the PM to please consider their view as well?

They had recourse to the ballot box a month ago just like everyone else.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 05/08/2024 13:22

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 13:18

Why would you be worried if you're Jewish (Keir Starmer's wife is Jewish) - or a woman? I'm a woman and I am delighted. It's great that we've finally got a government that's going to work towards better pay for women, better support with childcare, get rid of foodbanks, improve the NHS and generally improve outcomes for all women and children in the UK.

The PP who mentioned Jewish people did so to cause division. They don’t care about Jewish people, Muslim people etc. They alternate between ‘does he know what a woman is?’ to ‘all Jewish people should be afraid of Starmer!’ It’s like they’ve been given a script.

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:23

kikisparks · 05/08/2024 13:20

And that was all fine according to you as they were not being listened to and had no other way to express their views?

Or was it wrong then and wrong now? You can’t have it both ways.

I am just noticing the difference in approach, can you just imagine calling any one from the BLM riot a 'thug', a 'monster', a 'moron'.

The double standards.

Neither riot is the right way to go, but one appears to be legitimised and the other certainly is being hung out to dry without a cursory glance as to why they are doing it in the first place!

Ridiculousme · 05/08/2024 13:23

What I don’t get: why are they all intent on blaming immigration, specifically those seeking asylum

  1. It’s a small % of the total number of immigrants
  2. it’s a low number compared to other countries
  3. The Tories spaffed a hideous amount of money on projects like HS2, PPE, money for technology, Rwanda
  4. The Tories decimated public services including those that process asylum seeker applications, thus causing huge delays and forcing us to spend more for longer.
  5. Brexit (fought for by the likes of Farage) caused the issue where there IS no legitimate way to claim asylum in the UK, from outside the UK. Presumably the idea was they would all just go ‘oh, alright then, I won’t bother trying to go to that safe country.
  6. It’s young men, because in other cultures it is the young men who go as the pioneers to get a foothold for the family. Women and children either stay home and wait, or travel with them. They do not send their women to get raped on the way.
  7. Why the fuck NOT the uk - your NHS, police, schools etc have been ravaged by 14 years of Tory Idealogy and mismanagement, blaming immigration is cynical and divisive.

Look for the person with several houses, cars and holidays, not the bloke with his life in a carrier bag.

Uricon2 · 05/08/2024 13:24

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:09

So do we truly imagine that ANY of these people rioting have another avenue to communicate their feelings and experiences? And if so where and to whom?
Do you think Starmer is interested in serving the working classes and understanding where this anger is coming from?

We've literally just had a bloody General Election.

Also, perpetrating violence, racist abuse, looting and arson isn't "communicating your feelings and experiences" in a way a civilised democracy can or should tolerate.

CassieMaddox · 05/08/2024 13:24

Whenwillitgetwarm · 05/08/2024 13:22

The PP who mentioned Jewish people did so to cause division. They don’t care about Jewish people, Muslim people etc. They alternate between ‘does he know what a woman is?’ to ‘all Jewish people should be afraid of Starmer!’ It’s like they’ve been given a script.

The far right coopting anti-semitism and the Israel-Gaza war to make a nasty point is one of the most repellant things about their movement. Along with forced teaming GC women. I'm sick of them.

kikisparks · 05/08/2024 13:24

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:20

So what do you suggest they do? Write a letter asking for the PM to please consider their view as well?

Of course, they can lobby or visit their MPs, write letters, organise peaceful protests and local campaigns, just like with any issue. And maybe none of that will work, but rioting will not work either. And as I say it’s not even clear what their view is, and burning a citizens advice bureau and police station makes it all the less clear. The only thing it really demonstrates is a lack of respect for authority, people trying to do good in the community and the rule of law, plus a gross commandeering of the grief of three families who are facing the worst possible situation of their children having been murdered. How is that the right way to try and get their “view” across.

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 13:24

Whenwillitgetwarm · 05/08/2024 13:22

The PP who mentioned Jewish people did so to cause division. They don’t care about Jewish people, Muslim people etc. They alternate between ‘does he know what a woman is?’ to ‘all Jewish people should be afraid of Starmer!’ It’s like they’ve been given a script.

Yes, they do seem to have been given a script. They don't care about women either, just like the rest of the right wing agitators who think a woman's place is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 13:25

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:19

Thank you.

We have tens of thousands of families in bedsits currently. We have tens of thousands waiting for social housing. We have over stretched hospitals, schools, GPs and some are at breaking point in some areas. Do you think it would be a responsible move by the current government to put a coherent immigration policy or even god forbid a temporary pause whilst we ensure the people currently here have a decent standard of living? To get a grip on the situation? Right now, for some people, particular the less wealthy in society it feels like no one has control of a sinking ship. For those that are most vulnerable in society this is a terrifying position to be in.

It boils down to this, we will continue to see riots, from all quarters, if we do not address the issues in this country.

Starmer has to get a grip and fast, and he won't achieve that by creating even more division!

You've been directed to Labour's immigration policy already.

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 13:25

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 13:25

You've been directed to Labour's immigration policy already.

Twice.

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 13:25

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 13:25

You've been directed to Labour's immigration policy already.

Unfortunately it is not worth the paper it is written on.

Superhansrantowindsor · 05/08/2024 13:25

God I’m so angry reading some of the drivel on here. There is NO excuse for this. I don’t care how pissed off you are with the government, the council, the benefits system, immigration policy etc. Some of these people should be charged with attempted murder.

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 13:25

CassieMaddox · 05/08/2024 13:24

The far right coopting anti-semitism and the Israel-Gaza war to make a nasty point is one of the most repellant things about their movement. Along with forced teaming GC women. I'm sick of them.

Same. It's making me feel a bit glum today actually, might have to step away from these sorts of threads.

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