Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

Well nothing else has worked has it?

It is the actions of last resort I imagine, I expect this is just the beginning.

It does not help when people are totally unable to grasp any other view than their own. As a cohesive society we need to be able to listen to everyone. This country belongs to everyone, including the 'thugs' and we need to find a way forward.

Pity they set fire to the CAB and library where they mind find support to better their lives.

Almost like they don’t use critical thinking

And they're not out there campaigning for any of those issues, they just boil it down to stupid points

NHS underfunded = i can't get a GP appointment cos immigrants
Lack of affordable housing = immigrants taking all the houses
schools are bad = immigrant kids i guess?

When in reality those of us without our heads in the sand know that healthcare, housing and school issues are way more complex than one contributor. The system has been broken for a long time and removing 'immigrants' won't do anything positive to improve those conditions, but only cause more negativity.

Once again posters justifying violence. Dressing up setting fire to public buildings as political comment.

Happy to see evidence that refutes my points. I'll wait.

So there is the answer.

If you have no future, what the hell do you have to lose setting fire to shoezone or anything else?

You strip people of hope, dignity, self respect, a voice and tell them you are going to be at the bottom of the priority list even after the people that haven't even arrived here yet - indefinitely - you can hardly be surprised when they eventually lose their shit.

I don't support any of these riots, nor the politics behind it, but I can see why in their position I would feel hopeless, angry and like I had nothing else to lose.

We should all care. It is not good enough to allow this to happen to huge parts of our society. I am so cross with Starmer - he had a golden opportunity to show some proper leadership and he failed spectacularly.

They aren’t local, they wouldn’t have been using those facilities anyway. They are just going into other deprived communities and deliberately fucking things up for the people who do live there.

Who is making the poor have to use food banks? Not 'illegal Immigrants'.
Who has been underfunding the NHS so we have the longest waiting lists we've ever seen? Not 'illegal Immigrants'
Who is buying surplus housing and then renting it out at massive margins? Not 'illegal Immigrants'.
Who sold off the social housing stock we had and didn't replace them? Not 'illegal Immigrants'.

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You don't give in to terrorists. HTH.

Yes because sympathising with looting, arson gangs attacking the police is the sensible tactic to take.

Shame the Tories did none of the levelling up they promised!

Not a single person on here has been able to answer my question.

Where is the government immigration policy please?

What is the plan?

Until this is answered you are wasting everyone's time, because this is what it is all about.

Indeed. Apologists for violence. There wasn’t much I respected Thatcher for (and her polices are the reason for much of the discontent in northern communities) but her refusal to negotiate with terrorists is the one thing she was right about.

You strip people of hope, dignity, self respect, a voice and tell them you are going to be at the bottom of the priority list even after the people that haven't even arrived here yet - indefinitely - you can hardly be surprised when they eventually lose their shit.

Do you think it is those people rioting? Football hooligans are generally in fairly well-paid jobs, that’s how they can afford the coke, alcohol and travel.

Clearly a lot of people - you included - DO condone the violence because as many times as you type the empty words 'I'm appalled by the violence' you undermine it with 'but...'. You've spent the entire thread attempting to legitimise acts of violent racism and destruction by presenting the rioters as being reasonably provoked, when their actions are entirely indefensible.

https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/labour-announces-new-immigration-strategy-for-the-uk

These far right thugs have the same voice as the rest of the population, to vote. They can also lobby for change without violence. They can volunteer.

They feel hopeless due to the elite, and the elite have pointed at someone else and said "They've caused it". If they are going to not look at evidence, why should they be 'listened' to?

If any, they are MORE listened to than they should be. NF was platformed time and time again during the election cycle. I didn't see nearly as much coverage for Plaid Cymru or SNP or Green Party.

We can agree to disagree because to me, he took that opportunity to show proper leadership and succeeded in showing he is not afraid to call out the worst in society. Which is needed,

I think you misunderstand democracy. Its impossible to keep everyone happy. There's an expectation that loses get over it, and use the representatives they do have in parliament to put their interests across. In this case Farage, Tice, Anderson, that other domestic abuser, Braverman, Jenrick are all sympathetic to them. They should be expecting Farage to be their voice in parliament but he's not interested sadly.

@Hummingbird75 "I would have said something along the lines of understanding why the rioters feel like they do,"

And presumably sympathize with their desire to express their feelings by looting Shoezone and destroying a library specifically set up to help people apply for jobs, find courses, negotiate the system and lift themselves out of disadvantage?

They sneakily hid their immigration policy in their manifesto, on the Labour Party website. Who on earth would ever have thought of looking for it on there?

Yes, definitely this.
It needs to be carefully handled though as been allowed to snake his way into this position and now has more dedicated followers than ever.

"Everything before the but is bullshit" is useful here

Disgusting. Don't they know they should be retweeting videos and adding in little catchy slogans instead?

I imagine this people feel betrayed by what happened to the conservative party they voted for in 2019 (which was replaced by a watered down palatable Sunak technocratic administration that failed to achieve anything for them)

These people are being betrayed by a so called 'working class' Labour government that are nothing of the sort, and couldn't care less about the real working classes.

The angry voices are the voices of those betrayed.

We can either start to listen, start to engage and respond and show them some respect even if they can't muster the same for us, or we can descend into total anarchy and violence (they have nothing to lose don't forget). It is our choice as a nation. I know which one I will choose.

I will choose to listen, to understand, to respect their view, to put policies in place that represent them and see the world from their eyes and not my own.

I'm also finding it a bit rich that the violence apologists often are the same people that were benefits bashing in the run up to the election and have strong views on "scroungers" and "cheats".

Almost like they have no actual clue about disadvantaged people at all and just make things up to suit their narrative 🤔

Labour were democratically elected on a promise to 'smash the gangs' - a slogan as clear as 'stop the boats'. They have explained how they intend to tackle immigration for anyone who could be bothered to pay attention to the election campaigning. Immigration occupied a huge amount of time and attention.

I was horrified by the Rwanda policy but if the Tories had won and started the flights, I wouldn't have stormed by local city centre and started flinging bricks around.

What was it the Remainers got told after the referendum? 'We won, you lost' I seem to recall. There were protest marches but we didn't set the streets on fire because we didn't get our own way. Well, for those who wanted the Rwanda flights - sorry, we won you lost. Oh apparently now that's a justification for terrorism if left wingers say it to the right, but we just had to suck it up apparently. And they call liberals 'snowflakes'!