Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

We live near some asylum seeker accommodation. My 19yo dd has been volunteering with the residents for the past year. They have never been anything but polite and respectful towards her. Some of their stories are heartbreaking.

Quite

That's a very very fair point, but I would argue that this election provided something of a warning in that a hard-right nationalist party won seats.

The winners of the election don't get to ignore the losers, that's why every new PM stands behind a lectern and announces that they will govern on behalf of the whole country.

Pie in the sky plans.- you mean like Rwanda?

I think labour have given more practical rhetoric in the few days they’ve been in power than the Tories gave in 14 years.

I reckon it is Farage’s best chance. Conservatives imploded no leader, new government, hot summer, a grisly crime, and you can make a political move. There will be no better time than this. None of this needed to happen; but it did.

I’m deeply uncomfortable and anxious around crowds of drunk (predominantly) white males who get on trains especially after football matches or very late on a Friday night. I’ve had so many hostile and unwanted interactions with them since I was a teen including being physically assaulted in Glasgow on one occasion.

I’m sure I’m not the only one.

None of these men rioting come across as gentleman and would probably call those who discuss misogyny “woke” or “anti-men”. These are the exact type of men I’ve learnt to avoid.

But why is that every black and brown persons problem? Why are mosques being attacked when the majority of Muslims are legal immigrants. It makes no sense. You’re trying to justify the riots and saying people have had enough, so does that mean you want all black and brown people out of the country? When a white man killed 5 people in Plymouth did they riot? No, when a white man murdered his pregnant partner, plus three children (one who only happened to be there due to a sleep over) did they riot? No. Because the perpetrator was a white man they turned a blind eye.

That indeed is racism, no matter how you try to say concerns are legitimate. If black and brown people were rioting at this scale they would be deemed criminals. Just because their skin is white doesn’t elevate the rioters to the level of patriots or just concerned individuals. They are burning down their own country!

Well, I think you might be proved wrong there. I come from the left, and even in those elevated circles (sarcasm) there are signs of disquiet. Sweden was famous for its peaceful and stable society, and thought it could absorb large numbers of people from significantly different cultures with no consequences. It has not gone well.

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/sweden-immigrants-crisis/

https://www.fmreview.org/parusel/

It won very few seats and this won’t help their cause.

Who would want to be associated with balding, beer swilling, ignorant knuckle dusting middle aged rioting men?

They've just illustrated what we knew Reform to be all along.

The 'men' in those videos are exactly the men i'd leave a train carriage to avoid, the ones i'd avoid on a street and wouldn't want to be alone anywhere near.

There is a correlation between 'conservative'/nationalist views and VAWG. Look at their own chants " save OUR girls" ownership.

I didn't suggest that people should be reported to the police for disagreeing with me. I said that they should be reported for posts in which they have sought to incite racial hatred.

Is it disgusting to suggest that criminal behaviour should be reported to the police? What line is it that you think I have crossed exactly?

Those who haven't broken any laws will not have anything to worry about, so I'm not sure why you're so offended by this suggestion?

Yes indeed. This is all looking looking quite grim.

True, but he's had many years to ruminate on solutions.

I think it might be his undoing though. I would say a lot of Reform voters aren't on board with riots.

I was about to say Farage has gone quiet, but here he is with a mealy mouthed attempt to backtrack whilst still whipping up hatred.

"We will quell the rioters" what's the "we" about? He really is a self serving shit.

So if so many share your views, why do you think that Reform only won 5 seats?

You're in a minority and you always will be. The majority of British people will continue to reject racism. Learn to live with it.

They have a victim/oppression complex, they want to pretend they are the underdogs fighting against violent oppressors. Skews their worldview a bit to admit they may just be baddies.

No-one believes we should report people to the police for disagreements, but they don't seem to understand that there is a difference between stating an opinion and inciting racial hatred. Shame because if they learnt that, they may actually get some change enacted,

Doesn't Germany have problems now too?

@Hummingbird75

Exactly My View

Same reason we have brexit
Same reason we have reform
Same reason we had Boris

The areas/people that are affected by
these issues are
NOT being listened too by main stream
Govt or the press.

By labelling them racist you drive it into secrecy and then right wing groups spring up

The Left are Driving this as much as the right

The vote share didn’t reflect that though a different electoral system and a very different number of seats

They got about half the amount of Labour voters

Nope, you don't get to blame everyone else for your violence. It doesn't work with Domestic violence, rape or murder. So it doesn't work here either.

Violence is never the answer. Maybe think about the reasons why people may feel you are not worth listening to when this behavior is always there simmering? Why would we as a society bow to these people?

Farage has a view which he is totally entitled to elucidate.

The rioters are, in the main, ignorant thugs, but that does not mean that they are not the visible tip of an iceberg of increasing resentment towards the western societal view of allowing the rich to perpetuate their wealth through the generations via a combination of fiscal and monetary policy. Clearly, the violence is pretty inchoate and the rioters wouldn’t express their views eloquently, but I suspect nor would the rioters during the Russian or French Revolution.

The liberal elite do look down on the rioters as the great unwashed whilst paying their cleaners minimum wage in cash and being grateful for the waiters who don’t speak English but will still serve them food for the minimum wage.

So, we need to be careful. Immigration is an issue with our population increasing by about 1% per annum due to it. And being concerned about excessive and thoughtless immigration isn’t racist, which is why many immigrants themselves are concerned about it.

These riots are the canary in the coal mine. They will likely die down as the nights draw in and the weather gets colder, but we cannot continue to see low cost immigration as a ‘solution’ to the problem of increasing costs in service businesses.

Yes, they got a larger share of the vote than seats. But they failed to win seats because in most constituencies, more people disagreed with them than agree with them. In other words, they were a minority. And they will remain as such.

How are people illegally coming into the country to claim asylum?

Claiming asylum is legal.

That's what people are saying. What people against these riots are saying.

It's been stoked up by the use of words and incorrect propaganda that people buy.

There is statistically no evidence that "most" of these are people are adult males claiming to be children and aren't actually genuinely seeking asylum.

There is evidence that there are a few cases.

But let's go back to Britain. We don't use prisons as evidence all British people are murdering raping scum. We have a system that when a minority who are commit these offences they are removed for public safety.

The same way when we process asylum claims we return those who aren't genuine.

Something the Tory's stopped doing because it suited them to keep these people housed and use the Rwanda scheme and stop the boats rhetoric as propaganda.

We also need to remember this behaviour has happened after both changes in successive governments.

Riots of 2011 were the summer after Tory's got in.
Riots of 2024 were the summer after Labour got in.

This is disenfranchised people thinking this is the way to get heard. In this case it is the far right who are angry we have a Labour government.

What's even worse and most despicable is using the murder of 3 girls as their excuse to do it. For that they should be ashamed.

I'm 100% for peaceful protest and the right to be heard. I'm 100% for freedom of speech. But I'm 100% against extreme rhetoric from any side and inciting violence as a solution. SM platforms have a lot to answer with regards this. And that's something parties both side of the political spectrum have said and agree needs addressing.

But attempted murder of people being housed in hotels in NOT the answer to this.

Starmer cannot conjure up more Police, riot squads, more court space/judges... let alone sort out the mess that the Tories have given us with Brexit.

We are where we are because of 14 years of austerity, more inequality, divisive Tory policies, little influence in the EU & immigration policies that has tripled legal migration from 2010 levels.

The rioters are, in the main, ignorant thugs, but that does not mean that they are not the visible tip of an iceberg of increasing resentment towards the western societal view of allowing the rich to perpetuate their wealth through the generations via a combination of fiscal and monetary policy

Yet they are not attacking the rich are they? They're not calling for a fairer society and better distribution of wealth. They're instead calling for those 'different than them to be deported or worse.
While i agree that is a very big part of the problem - they haven't realised it. Considering how many of them worship at the altar of Nigel Farage and loved Boris. NF would find it very hard to peddle his brand of hate to a country of well educated and happy people so he needs immigration more than anyone. Without immigration being a talking point, what does he have to be relevant?