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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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Foxblue · 05/08/2024 08:21

I'm so confused at people saying 'people are rioting because they are not being listened to, you can't just brand people racist, you need to understand why they are doing these things' but governments do?? I've never known a government ignore immigration? I don't think the new government are ignoring it (they've been in a matter of weeks) these things are complicated, a moving target, and take time to plan a solution and implement it. I'm not seeing where immigration is being ignored in politics at all. If I'm totally honest, I see a lot of time spent on immigration that could be better spent on, oh I don't know, the actual cause of those little girl deaths, which is male violence. Again. Because it's ALWAYS MEN. Overwhelmingly so, backed up by hundreds of years of statistics, globally and locally. But yet, I don't see anybody out violently rioting in the streets about the fact that a man has killed three little girls. If these people actually gave a fuck about protecting our country, they would be out demanding the government do something about male violence, they would be channelling their energy into doing something within their communities. And while there are fantastic men and women out there doing that, there's not enough. And yet all these people suddenly have the time and energy to get up in arms because it's an individual of a certain ethnic background? That's my issue. The problem is male violence - there's cultural elements that feed into it that need to be looked at and also tackled, but its male violence!

Boater · 05/08/2024 08:21

Alexandra2001 · 05/08/2024 08:12

But Farage is nearly 70. If he's doing it for money then surely at some point he'll want to retire and spend the rest of his days eating caviar off a lap dancer's breasts for breakfast (or whatever floats his boat). He's too old to be the next Hitler

He is 60, easily young enough to be the next PM/Leader of the tory party

Comedy Lol GIF by Hello All

I think not

Midnightalready · 05/08/2024 08:22

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 08:07

I'm hoping that MNHQ will pass on the names of posters on MN that have been inciting racial hatred to the police, so that they can assist with the police investigations into the online activity that is behind these riots.

There should be zero tolerance, and the fact that this is an anonymous forum need not mean that people can't be tracked down.

That is absolutely disgusting. Are you actually suggesting that anyone who has a view different to yours is reported to the police?

You have totally crossed the line. And you call other people fascists.

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 08:22

WormBum · 05/08/2024 08:16

This is not down to Farage - disgusting as he is - it’s down to the government over the last couple of decades allowing there to be a gap which he was able to fill. It’s been predictable that this would happen since before Brexit.

The left must take a look at their actions - shutting down discussion, calling those concerned about immigration racist (and there are valid concerns about it), as they have inadvertently created a breeding ground for those who really are racist to have the space to talk.

Look at the Rotherham scandal. Labour local government turning a blind eye to grooming gangs because they didn’t want to be seen as racist - honestly you couldn’t make it up. What do you think that does to locals?

If we had competent politicians who addressed these issues like adults there would be no room for Farage to break through.

Until the left and their superiority change their approach, until Starmer (as the PM, even though he’s only been in a month!) stands up and addresses the issues that have led to this, I tend to agree with Farage that this is only the start.
There’s too much polarity and divisive issues. We need to find a way to come together and actually sort things out rather than flinging insults.

Shutting down discussion! Don’t be ridiculous.

All the Tories have done the past 14 years and during the election campaign is stoke up “immigration” and discuss it. So much so they pushed the NHS and other services into ruin and lied their way into catastrophic Brexit .

It’s a big part of why they lost the election. The majority are sick of hearing about Rwanda and racist rhetoric and would like a focus on things that matter.

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 08:23

Boater · 05/08/2024 08:21

I think not

😂

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 08:24

Midnightalready · 05/08/2024 08:15

Would that be true of France? Of all the other countries across Europe who are inches away from electing in right wing parties? Are you willing to even acknowledge that people who are uncomfortable with mass migration have a right to their discomfort?

I think you're wrong about these views being in a minority. You think that because most people are scared to say what they think, just as they're scared to object to men in women's loos. People have seen their country radically change over the last ten years, and they're not happy about it.

If we carry on with net immigration levels of over 600k a year, and operating a two-tier approach to policing, and ignoring all the evidence of the rise in crime levels that mass immigration has brought to Europe, then you'll find Farage is right and what happened this weekend will repeat itself over and over again. And you'll get a truly far right government.

We've just had an election. If I was wrong about you being in a minority, Reform would have got more seats. The ballot box is private, so it isn't a question of people being scared to say what they think.

And yet Reform won the largest number of votes in just 5 constituencies in the country. And even in those constituencies, they still hadn't won over the majority of voters. Yes, they got a lot of votes, but still only a minority of voters.

And the rioters have been far outnumbered in most cities by peaceful protesters standing up to racism.

Perhaps you are surrounded by people who share your views, but the majority of the British public don't agree with you. And they never will.

stuckdownahole · 05/08/2024 08:25

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 06:32

I am going to say this, but what if he is right?

We really have to stop screaming down everyone that speaks from their truth and their lived experience, no matter how different or 'vile' we find it. The way we stop the riots is how we have always proceeded with difference in this country.

We sit down and talk about why these people are so aggrieved and angry. What IS going on for them? Just screaming and calling them far right thugs is only going to make things worse and feel even more othered, and even more likely to continue to riot. It is about time someone in government acknowledged the pressure and the issues (including immigration and the strain on the infrastructure) rather than simply close it down with insults, and started to ENGAGE with the issues.

I am horrified by the riots. Horrified.

I know from experience that you do not solve burning, long standing issues by insulting and silencing people.

At some point we are as a society going to have to acknowledge the difficulties this country is facing, and start to listen to each other.

I am deeply disappointed that Starmer's leadership so far has amounted to calling them FR thugs, almost inciting more violence. This is not going to work.

This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.

I know many of you will kick off at my post, but that is part of the problem no?

@Hummingbird75

This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.

This is absolutely how I feel.

Redjammies · 05/08/2024 08:25

@WormBum I totally agree.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/08/2024 08:26

Midnightalready · 05/08/2024 08:15

Would that be true of France? Of all the other countries across Europe who are inches away from electing in right wing parties? Are you willing to even acknowledge that people who are uncomfortable with mass migration have a right to their discomfort?

I think you're wrong about these views being in a minority. You think that because most people are scared to say what they think, just as they're scared to object to men in women's loos. People have seen their country radically change over the last ten years, and they're not happy about it.

If we carry on with net immigration levels of over 600k a year, and operating a two-tier approach to policing, and ignoring all the evidence of the rise in crime levels that mass immigration has brought to Europe, then you'll find Farage is right and what happened this weekend will repeat itself over and over again. And you'll get a truly far right government.

Come on, Tunbridge wells hasn’t seen a huge change in its demographic. I doubt many other home county commuter towns have or nice affluent market towns in the south west. To suggest that the whole country has changed is over egging the issue. The problem is that a huge percentage of dirt poor migrants with little English and few skills, often traumatised by war etc and religiously conservative have been sent up here and already cash strapped authorities expected to deal with them at the expense of folk already living in Bolton or Oldham. That combined with Austerity and complete failure of levelling up/Northern Powerhouse, lack of decent investment has led to a general resentment about immigration. The ones rioting are yobs pure and simple. The issue is a two tier country.

spuddy4 · 05/08/2024 08:26

multicolouredbunting · 05/08/2024 07:55

Everyone who is happy to have hotels full of male migrants needs to take the time to understand what it is like to live near these places. I do, and it's not nice.
We have lots of trouble with young girls being approached on their way to and from school and harassed. Young children are photographed in the local park, and when the males are spoken to by parents, they claim they don't speak English and run away back to the hotel. Police are always called , nothing is ever done.
They rioted amongst themselves not long back and set their own hotel on fire. They were just moved to another one.
To go into the town centre you are harassed, followed and have comments made about yourself. It's always women/young girls they intimidate.
Most recently is the intimidating of older people at the local supermarkets cash machine on a daily basis. Again police have been informed.

Now the rioting is wrong, obviously, but when the government does nothing to address the issue, then it's going to boil over. As many are economic migrants they have no reason to seek refuge here. Lots of people would like to move countries in what they deem would be a better life for themselves, doesn't mean we can all just rock up on boats to wherever we feel like and be housed by that government. What is it, a cost of 10 million pounds per day currently?

Completely agree with everything you have written. Unfortunately I also live near 2 hotels housing immigrants and we have exactly the same problems.

I think the majority of MN and politicians have no idea what it's like and anyone that's been living near this could see it brewing for months.

I don't know where all the women and children are because in my area it's just men hanging around all day drinking and smoking and generally intimidating people with their behaviour.

dottiehens · 05/08/2024 08:27

Animatic · 05/08/2024 08:00

It wasn't just him though, latest Conservative government's did everything in their powers to "normalise" hate speech.
Garage is grotesque in being so obviously black and white and extreme but he is a symptom really, not a cause.

The left is no innocent in stoking division when it suits their narrative. Which policy was the vote winner from Labour? Yes,VAT taxes for private school education. The amount of mocking comments and hate in those threats were very obvious. Many in private schools are international students and from Asian countries. Some are middle class like GPs that would not longer afford to. Private school parents have been accused of the failure of state school education even when they save the government money. That is a divisive narrative and very wrong.

Timewilltell519 · 05/08/2024 08:27

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 01:10

Sorry i'm not in the minority that's all in your head and such a lazy thing to say pathetic. 🙄

Why are you intent on stiring up hatred?. Do you really hate black and brown people so much? If these people rioting concentrated on the root causes of their problems they would realise that all asylum seekers are not it!

IClaudine · 05/08/2024 08:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/08/2024 08:18

I thought he was older than that. Bugger.

I know. Still plenty of time for him to continue to pour petrol on the flames of racism.

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 08:28

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:00

He needs to get to the root cause of why this is happening instead of brushing it under the carpet.

which is?
because i've been told about 10 different reasons so far and none of them seem to make sense.

It's not brushing under the carpet, but rightfully calling people out for violence which is unacceptable.

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 08:28

stuckdownahole · 05/08/2024 08:25

@Hummingbird75

This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.

This is absolutely how I feel.

Edited

I’m sorry didn’t we just have an election?

Perfect time to be heard.

Oh yes they are in the minority and only have 5 seats.

BustingBaoBun · 05/08/2024 08:29

stuckdownahole · 05/08/2024 08:25

@Hummingbird75

This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.

This is absolutely how I feel.

Edited

What respect have the rioters shown?
Destroying their own communities, torching Citizens Advice bureau outlets and libraries. The very places that help those who are disadvantaged.

Deardeidree · 05/08/2024 08:29

Foxblue · 05/08/2024 08:21

I'm so confused at people saying 'people are rioting because they are not being listened to, you can't just brand people racist, you need to understand why they are doing these things' but governments do?? I've never known a government ignore immigration? I don't think the new government are ignoring it (they've been in a matter of weeks) these things are complicated, a moving target, and take time to plan a solution and implement it. I'm not seeing where immigration is being ignored in politics at all. If I'm totally honest, I see a lot of time spent on immigration that could be better spent on, oh I don't know, the actual cause of those little girl deaths, which is male violence. Again. Because it's ALWAYS MEN. Overwhelmingly so, backed up by hundreds of years of statistics, globally and locally. But yet, I don't see anybody out violently rioting in the streets about the fact that a man has killed three little girls. If these people actually gave a fuck about protecting our country, they would be out demanding the government do something about male violence, they would be channelling their energy into doing something within their communities. And while there are fantastic men and women out there doing that, there's not enough. And yet all these people suddenly have the time and energy to get up in arms because it's an individual of a certain ethnic background? That's my issue. The problem is male violence - there's cultural elements that feed into it that need to be looked at and also tackled, but its male violence!

A great example of male violence here in this video we can see WHITE males intimidating drivers, some of whom could be women.

They are asking if they are “white” before they let them through.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-QTCjTo6dN/?igsh=MWQ3Y2ljNWJiMmVybw==

Let’s face it many of these boozed up thugs you see rioting are exactly the type to go and smack a woman in the face for challenging them.

Did these men riot when that white soldier assaulted a woman for defending a gay man against abuse he was receiving btw?

Or did they riot after white Lucy Letby was convicted of killing several babies?

Or when the white cross bow killer took out a whole family of women a few weeks back?

Or the white man with the sword who killed a black teen?

I could go on and on but I think we can all see the pattern here. They only “care” about male violence and deviance when the perpetrator is non-white

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-QTCjTo6dN?igsh=MWQ3Y2ljNWJiMmVybw%3D%3D

Boater · 05/08/2024 08:29

stuckdownahole · 05/08/2024 08:25

@Hummingbird75

This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.

This is absolutely how I feel.

Edited

Because we made them do it?

That argument doesn’t work for domestic violence. It doesn’t work for rapists. It doesn’t work here. These people and the way they live their lives is their choice.

WormBum · 05/08/2024 08:30

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 08:22

Shutting down discussion! Don’t be ridiculous.

All the Tories have done the past 14 years and during the election campaign is stoke up “immigration” and discuss it. So much so they pushed the NHS and other services into ruin and lied their way into catastrophic Brexit .

It’s a big part of why they lost the election. The majority are sick of hearing about Rwanda and racist rhetoric and would like a focus on things that matter.

Yes they’ve stoked it up, but they haven’t made any workable changes to control it, just chucked out pie in the sky plans that are obviously not going to change anything.

Farage has spotted the gap in the political market and filled it.

I dislike Farage, I do not like what’s happening at all, but from an observation point it seems fairly obvious why and how we are here.

lemonmeringueno3 · 05/08/2024 08:30

I just don't know how you can debate with people who have such a scant grasp of what is going on.

Protestors advocating for a visa system, which we already have.

Protestors saying that we should 'send them back to France' without any understanding of the political ramifications of doing so.

Protestors asking why we 'put them up in hotels' without at least googling what happens in countries that don't provide accommodation.

Protestors saying that the PM should've listened to the rioters to appease them without taking that to its obvious conclusion - rioting from every group and cause, in the knowledge that they'll get what they want as a consequence.

How is it possible to listen with a straight face, or debate with people who think their own feelings are more important than facts.

IClaudine · 05/08/2024 08:31

dottiehens · 05/08/2024 08:27

The left is no innocent in stoking division when it suits their narrative. Which policy was the vote winner from Labour? Yes,VAT taxes for private school education. The amount of mocking comments and hate in those threats were very obvious. Many in private schools are international students and from Asian countries. Some are middle class like GPs that would not longer afford to. Private school parents have been accused of the failure of state school education even when they save the government money. That is a divisive narrative and very wrong.

Edited

Did the left start rioting because of its opposition to the private school system? Did the left attempt to burn down private schools with children inside?

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 08:31

It’s just a load of ignorant drunk racist thugs. They’ll get what’s due and it will blow over. The vast majority don’t agree with reform and actually I think it will do reform a lot of damage and could potentially bring the country together. There are a lot of acts of kindness and widespread dismay in amongst all the thuggery.

mimblewimble · 05/08/2024 08:31

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 08:02

Women and girls are targeted and harassed daily by white British men too and nothing gets done. I would love to have protests against male violence against women, I would love for women to be heard and for the government to do something about rampant misogyny but the blokes out there this weekend shouting racist abuse and setting fire to everything don't give a shit about women and girls. Hatred of women is alive and well across cultures and skin colours and we've got plenty of home-grown rapists and creeps and harassers. Probably a lot of them were out there this weekend.

Absolutely. I believe people living near these hotels who describe the issues they have. And I don't think it would be any different if the hotels were full of white British young men.

Because it's a male violence issue.

In a humane asylum system the claims would be processed quickly, with people either sent back if their claim is refused, or given leave to remain so they can settle, integrate, learn English, find a job and get on with their lives. What we have is a massive backlog in processing asylum claims, leading to these inappropriate hotel/giant barge setups.

I used to work with refugees, before the Tories got in. Where I lived none of them were being housed in hotels. They are now.

Redjammies · 05/08/2024 08:32

I’m scared at this trend towards shutting down debate in this country and trampling all over women’s rights. Men can now be women and invade our safe spaces, daughters are just expected to put up with harassment from men in these migrant hotels as people turn a blind eye for fear of being branded racist.

It’s at times like these the far right do well because our politicians are too scared to take action.

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 08:32

Midnightalready · 05/08/2024 08:22

That is absolutely disgusting. Are you actually suggesting that anyone who has a view different to yours is reported to the police?

You have totally crossed the line. And you call other people fascists.

if you think inciting racial unrest is just a difference of opinion, that would be laughable if it wasn't terrifying.

if you can't see the difference you're either brainwashed or willfully ignorant,

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