Very much looking forward to the court cases

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Absolute sub-human scum rioting in the streets. Attacking hotels with humans inside. Burning down libraries and CABs. Pretending it’s about immigration when it’s just mindless animal violence.

I am very much looking forward to their days in court. Starting point for Violent Disorder - two years. Attempted Murder? Life sentence.

Not so hard now, are you lads? Fuck you all. I just sympathise with their wives and kids cos a sentence like that means saying goodbye to any social housing they might live in.

And they filmed themselves. I hope they live in fear of that knock on the door for years. Then when it comes, I hope they realise that they’ve ruined their lives.

Them, and the traitors who encouraged them.

Scumbags one and all.

And frankly I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m being unreasonable or not.

I did not know that. I don't mind being wrong, and especially if it highlights the plight of children. I am not one of those victims on social media who are so depressed at reading something negative they cannot continue to live. There are people whose sole aim in life is to prey on others. Does it make you feel superior? I hope so, I don't like being shamed and it not bring satisfaction to you.

Why don't the French take registering seriously?

Every parent who refuses to register in France, refuse to register their children in France, are putting their child in danger. Unless the French police register them and follow their journey, they are complicit in what happens to the children.

Is there a difference between knifing a child and allowing someone to put a child in boats known to sink?

Who makes and sells boats and life jackets?

Of course these people need to face consequences for thier actions. You can make an argument that they deserve to have thier homes taken from them, but making them homeless makes them even more of a problem for the rest of society!
People who are belligerent and wont follow the rules tend to become even more so when they are punished.
I am not in any way saying they should get away with it, I loathe them too, but how to make them not a problem for the rest of society??

That's fine by me. Judging by your username, you must be subjected to nasty moments too.

Me? I am in a minority too. I am disabled. I hope these rioters get their just desserts. We see the thugs doing things that they are rightly arrested for. Thousands of people are attacked in other ways, and get away with it.

The things people do to me are invisible. I don't know if it is because I am disabled, or because my late husband was a retired vicar. We employed black carers. It was enough for them to be just awful to us.

I don't think these rioters have any particular agenda. They just like to pillage and destroy, but the illegal boat immigrants who come here are giving them an excuse to do that. Unless the boats are stopped, there will always be an excuse for wrong doing.

Do you mean me?

No i meant @Motomum23

I was backing you up by saying lets see a link There is always the assumption that those in SH are better off than private rented and its simply not the case Many SH are now similar or same rents as private. Partly due to gentrification I suspect many wont like it though because we are now at a tipping point where SH may legitimately say they are worse off cos the rents have become or are becoming the same as private AND SH properties are rented out as an unfurnished empty shell.

I'm sure you lose your social house if you riot

There may be provision for it in the contract (under local antisocial behaviour stipulations).

Wandsworth Council were, I think, the only landlords who went in for this in the wake off the 2011 riots.

It caused huge amounts of controversy - not least because of the potential eviction of a mother and younger DC, because of what her older just-adult teen had done.

I think it’s more of a theoretic possibility (one that would certainly help keep at least some in line) than something that would routinely happen.

But depending on how it’s worded, might have the perverse incentive of encouraging people to commute elsewhere and smash up someone else’s community. Because there is often something about it being local antisocial behaviour (aim is to rid communities of residents who make everyone’s lives a misery) not something that would happen automatically for criminal offences elsewhere.

This has been mentioned several times on this thread, but our of curiosity I looked into further and no outlet says they actually did get evicted. Someone did jn 2013 who was charged with crimes during the riots, but they were £6k in rent arrears; multiple places said he was the first.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-23623681

Except it will clog up the courts and prevent justice for people who've already been waiting years.
I'd just summarily deport the lot of them. See how they like being forced to flee.

A lot of the younger ones will be living with parents and other relatives, they won't have their name on social housing. Older ones may own their houses.

There is provision to be removed from long term council tenancies if you are convicted of anti social behaviour however it would mean meeting a certain threshold of crime and assumes nobody else is on the tenancy - they won't be evicting partners and children if it's a joint tenancy as that would not be right, they haven't committed an offence.

I’m not sure I agree with that actually. I think we forget that the white working class in this country are often struggling academically at school. Expectations are low for them, often due to family circumstances where generations of family have been low achievers and have fallen into the trap of government help over working. Due to their poor education they are much more susceptible to conspiracy theories and peer pressure.

I don’t think these are individuals who are having well-thought out ideas. They aren’t researching subjects or debating ideologies online or with friends. They are parroting bigoted opinions they have no doubt heard their whole lives and being whipped up into a frenzy and following their mates/community onto the streets under the guise of a protest. The key to this is always better education.

Not all those spewing racist, hate filled vitriol are white working class

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr40x2z7vn0o

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13719449/british-businesswoman-accused-false-information-southport-stabbing-suspect-mortified.html

is she mortified? Or did she make it up?

@bombastix wonder if she's a mumsnetter- she does kind of fit the profile of some on here that have posted on recent times

Really? My god. I hope not.

It's funny how one type of ism leads to another. Please don't start demonising people based on class. That is just feeding into the whole problem in the first place.

She's not mortified because she spread the lie, only mortified because she's been caught out. She should be penalised in some way because her post added to the tinderbox situation.

She's also a millionaire with a clothing business based in Cheshire so people should boycott her business. It's the only way these millionaire shit stirrers will stop their poisonous meddling if you hit their pockets.

The amount of backpedaling going on from various people is Olympic-standard at the minute.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c628mxvlrd1o

Suspended Labour councillor arrested on BBC news

Good. Vile, incendiary comments

Me too.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/08/woman-first-shared-fake-southport-suspect-rumour-sparked-riots-arrested-21389346/amp/

The vile woman has been arrested, I'd love to find out who her source is, if there is someone. She'll have to name them if they actually exist otherwise she made it up & a riot started because of this.

What a vile piece of shit!

She should get at least 5 years if others are already getting 3.