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Dressage WTF

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OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 11:58

I have just been watching Olympic dressage...a poor horse moving its hooves in time to 'Another one bites the dust'...surely this is done for human entertainment only. The horse wouldn't do this naturally. Commentator saying the horse 'clearly loves moving to the beat'. What a load of crap. Years of making the horse move unnaturally. Probably with a stick or whip. AIBU that this sport is about privileged humans dominating a beautiful animal. Makes me so sad...and angry!

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OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 20:23

an undeserved air of respectability which obscures the seedy truth.

Well said. Apologies all for being goady x

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EverestMilton · 04/08/2024 20:27

Threads like this make me sad because the fundamental understanding of what dressage means is lost. Dressage is a building block of horsemanship whether that is; western, show jumping, eventing, showing or even just hacking. They all require training of the horse on the flat.
At a basic level dressage is teaching the horse how to carry the rider and build their muscles correctly. Think of it more like a horsey village hall pilates session rather than royal ballet performance.
I have a Fat Cob, the dressage we do is with the simple aim of achieving straightness balance and harmony. This is far easier said than done particularly harmony. I don't care about competitions, he will never win anything in his life. I only want my horse to be happy and for me to be the best rider I can be for him.
l live for those moments when it clicks and he suddenly understands what I've asked him, he starts licking and chewing like mad. Then he starts to blow his nose. That's his way of saying "oh ok Mum I've got it now, oooh I like this.". Then all I have to do is point with my thumbs and "think" circle or sideways and he follows these tiny movements. The whole aim is for the rider to be able to do less and the horse to understand what a minute shift of weight or squeeze of rein means.

My horse is 600kg I can't force him to do anything but he does need to have respect and discipline. In turn I try my hardest to listen to him and how he's feeling. Riding should be a conversation between a horse and rider. I'm lucky mine has a big personality and is very free with his opinions!!
The music is irrelevant. I'm an average rider with an average horse. We'd love to do a bit of prelim dressage to music. I want to come down the center line to Right Said Fred I'm too Sexy. He'd totally rock 😁

Apolloneuro · 04/08/2024 20:30

That’s such a lovely post @EverestMilton Your horse sounds so loved and scrummy.

OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 20:35

A final thought...if dressage as a thing didn't exist, who would miss it most? Horse or rider? Are there other ways to demonstrate a human's relationship with - and I repeat - such a beautiful creature as a horse. Would the olympics be worse off? Really?

If there's one thing I've learned today is that dressage-loving MN posters is a considerable force to be reckoned with.

I wonder if everyone felt the same when Olympic tug of war was discontinued...

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Smallsalt · 04/08/2024 20:37

Cheesandcrackers · 04/08/2024 12:46

I don't mind horse racing as it's essentially natural for horses to gallop along with other horses. Dressage though is the equine equivalent of a child beauty pageant....

Race horses have wretched unnatural lives. Hard training and racing when they are so very young, they aren't fully developed, broken and lame after a few years, chronically inbred and unhealthy , huge wastage of young horses because they keep breeding more and more of them in the hopes of producing the next big winner, riddled with ulcers. Collapsing with heart failure, lung haemorrhages. Not normal in a young "healthy" animals.

Conkered · 04/08/2024 20:46

As a horse owner I do think equestrianism has lost it's way.

As domesticated species horses are very distant from their wild origins (in the same way dogs are very different from wolves). Just being out in a field is not enough exercise for many horses. In the wild they would travel for miles every day. So they need to be exercised, just as dogs do, and to build muscle in a way that carries a rider safely for both, because rightly or wrongly, that's what they've been bred to do (although some very badly).

So they're here and they need exercise. We can't just let them all loose to get naturally fit and they need to be supervised. Schooling or dressage is a way of training a horse to use it's body in the most effective way to build fitness as part of a varied exercise plan. A bit like going to the gym. The movements are all based on natural movements. If you haven't seen them, maybe you haven't seen a horse be turned out in a field for the first time in a new herd, or seen a stallion when he gets sight of a mare in season. It's beautiful to watch and a privelege to be a part of, when they achieve it with a rider onboard. Done well, it's a partnership.

Lots of people use "competitions" as a measure of how well they're doing the job and to get feedback on how they can improve from judges who supposedly are the best at it. But as with most things, we take it to extremes, especially when those that are doing well are then worth more money! We often push them to get quick results, and that's where we go wrong IMHO.

So it becomes about the competition and winning prizes and being the best, rather than about fitness and longevity of the horse. But I'd argue til the cows come home that there is a place for riding and dressage that's in the interest of the horse.

Scubanicki · 04/08/2024 20:49

OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 12:07

This.

So don’t watch it, sure nobody is forcing you to!

EverestMilton · 04/08/2024 21:10

OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 20:35

A final thought...if dressage as a thing didn't exist, who would miss it most? Horse or rider? Are there other ways to demonstrate a human's relationship with - and I repeat - such a beautiful creature as a horse. Would the olympics be worse off? Really?

If there's one thing I've learned today is that dressage-loving MN posters is a considerable force to be reckoned with.

I wonder if everyone felt the same when Olympic tug of war was discontinued...

Going back to my post. The whole of equestrianism would be poorer if dressage did not exist. Both horses and riders
A show jumper, collects and extends the canter, stays straight and balanced on the turns and does a flying change.....This is 95% dressage with jumps in between.
The fat pudding who strained his back being a twit in the field needs to stretch and flex and build his muscles again. This is dressage
The young horse just backed needs to learn how to balance himself with a rider and understand the aids before he goes out into the world. This is dressage
The focus of the Olympics is on three riders, riding for 4 minutes each at the top of their game. This ignores the fact that dressage is so much more than that; it is in fact; the unacknowledged, unrecorded, mundane day to day schooling which benefits the majority of horses.

Conkered · 04/08/2024 21:16

Beautifully put!

oakleaffy · 04/08/2024 21:23

Smallsalt · 04/08/2024 20:37

Race horses have wretched unnatural lives. Hard training and racing when they are so very young, they aren't fully developed, broken and lame after a few years, chronically inbred and unhealthy , huge wastage of young horses because they keep breeding more and more of them in the hopes of producing the next big winner, riddled with ulcers. Collapsing with heart failure, lung haemorrhages. Not normal in a young "healthy" animals.

Plus the horrendous shattering of bone due to being bred for speed not substance.
Six Belles (?) plus many others where the broken foreleg is flapping around as the horse desperately attempts to pull up.
Look up Horserace Death Watch
reams of names who died racing.

TB’s are beautiful, so sensitive they deserve better.

They don’t make happy hackers generally, due to their sensitivity.
Very ulcer prone. Yea

oakleaffy · 04/08/2024 21:26

The “yea” is a strange thing my phone does
please ignore that ! ( on walk at moment)

Dunnoburt · 04/08/2024 21:29

I was absolutely captivated by Germanys performance to Edith Piafs classic......what a rider can teach a horse with subtle pulls and kicks is just unbelievable you are absolutely being so very very unreasonable......if a horse doesn't want to do it then trust me, it won't.

Standupcitizen · 04/08/2024 21:37

Dunnoburt · 04/08/2024 21:29

I was absolutely captivated by Germanys performance to Edith Piafs classic......what a rider can teach a horse with subtle pulls and kicks is just unbelievable you are absolutely being so very very unreasonable......if a horse doesn't want to do it then trust me, it won't.

Not another one!

Of COURSE a horse can be made to do something it doesn't want to do!

Smallsalt · 04/08/2024 21:40

oakleaffy · 04/08/2024 21:23

Plus the horrendous shattering of bone due to being bred for speed not substance.
Six Belles (?) plus many others where the broken foreleg is flapping around as the horse desperately attempts to pull up.
Look up Horserace Death Watch
reams of names who died racing.

TB’s are beautiful, so sensitive they deserve better.

They don’t make happy hackers generally, due to their sensitivity.
Very ulcer prone. Yea

Yes just awful.

And the wasteage of all the over produced young stock who aren't going to make money. Or the poor broken down wrecks.

What do people think happens to them?
Because certainly, for the vast majority, it isn't a happy hacking home, because as you say, they aren't suited to it, and it certainly isn't a long happy retirement farting in a sunny orchard.

Just a grim abusive industry.
And if I have to listen to one more lot of snivelling owners of a Grand National victim sobbing hypocritical tears about how he " was part of the family"...........

Dunnoburt · 04/08/2024 21:48

Standupcitizen · 04/08/2024 21:37

Not another one!

Of COURSE a horse can be made to do something it doesn't want to do!

Yep.. another one...... I guess....I hope you don't have any pets... that's for sure......

IndigoIsMyFavouriteColour · 04/08/2024 21:58

I see it as the ultimate in humiliation for a horse. Its essentially just a human showing how unnaturally they can make a horse move. Really gross.

brunettemic · 04/08/2024 22:01

A human being wouldn’t usually run 100m in under 10 seconds either yet I just saw that.

Conkered · 04/08/2024 22:26

Standupcitizen · 04/08/2024 21:37

Not another one!

Of COURSE a horse can be made to do something it doesn't want to do!

No, there are times when they really, really can't. That's why on occasions they need to be sedated for their own good, such as for veterinary treatment.

But many can and do tolerate far more than they should have to.

Conkered · 04/08/2024 22:35

IndigoIsMyFavouriteColour · 04/08/2024 21:58

I see it as the ultimate in humiliation for a horse. Its essentially just a human showing how unnaturally they can make a horse move. Really gross.

Thankfully we're getting much better at telling how horse's are feeling, through evidenced research into their facial expressions and behaviour.

Clafoutie · 04/08/2024 22:41

ElleneAsanto · 04/08/2024 19:20

Croquet and polo? Still full on with the goady class warfare angle then 🙄

Yes. I agree with some of the OP’s points, but must admit that the mention of croquet does kind of reveal a classist attitude, which is a shame as it means concerns about cruelty get lost. Unless I have overlooked cruelty in croquet? 🤔

YellowAsteroid · 04/08/2024 22:57

Moving diagonally sideways from one corner of a field to another doesn't happen.

You’ve clearly never seen (or been riding) a horse moving away from something that spooked him from one side. They move exactly like a half-pass.

OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 23:06

Croquet is a discontinued Olympic sport. Completely relevant. As is polo. Google it.

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OrkneyGirl · 04/08/2024 23:12

Is the argument that horses 'do dressage' naturally for real? Usually followed by 'We're just refining what they do naturally'. I don't hear anyone mentioning the reality of how each deliberate and controlled movement is taught. Is the lunge whip only used by the bad guys?

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CottonwoolCubes · 04/08/2024 23:18

Conkered · 04/08/2024 22:35

Thankfully we're getting much better at telling how horse's are feeling, through evidenced research into their facial expressions and behaviour.

I'd live to know more about this. Is there something I can read.

Edit to say obviously I can Google, but anything you recommend?

Fiftyfiveandcounting · 04/08/2024 23:21

I would be a lot more willing to believe in the ‘refined natural movement’ were it not for the horses wearing big bits that force their heads into clearly unnatural positions and that every rider is wearing spurs which are clearly designed to cause discomfort at the very least. When you add this to the whips it just all seems like an over stylised sport that is clearly not for the horses health or happiness.