to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

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Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

Yep, he's a mediocre male athlete competing against women

😂😂 back with the irony again I see.

When you say "plenty of males", do you mean plenty of male boxers, or just random males?

The information which has been shared fora ll to educate themselves is that 2 boxers underwent testing by the international body for the sport, carried out in two separate labs in two different countries, which showed they were not eligible to compete in the women's competition. We don't know it wasn't testosterone tests. Neither athlete challenged that decision in the court of arbitration for sport. That's the information that has been shared.

If a sports body said I wasn't a woman, I'd fight it, wouldn't you? I'd take a chromosome test and publicise the results, wouldn't you?

The IBA and WBO are both stating the boxers are male. They can't release full details of the tests as that is confidential medical information

Surely it’s time for people to leave this poor woman alone?

And if people genuinely care about violence against women and girls want something to focus their concern on during these Olympics, how about the rapist and how about the ex IDF soldiers that are competing?

I didn't know that about cricket

Typical TERF rhetoric. “Only women have a cervix”.

The girl has a cervix, but she’s not feminine enough for their liking. My current testosterone levels are 10 times higher than the average female, the same as a man’s, due to medical treatment I’ve been receiving. Am I suddenly a man? For the record, I’m still too weak to lift a bag of shopping but my leg hair is out of control.

JKR and co should hang their heads in shame at calling her a man. She’s had her testosterone levels checked by the IOC and passed those tests. She’s lost almost as many competitive fights as she’s won, against other women, which suggests she’s hardly the Mike Tyson people are making her out to be.

Here’s the IBA statement:

www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

Emma's explanation. He's a cheat. Even Bach is floundering now. What a sorry sight he is and Starmer's best man who is being thoroughly nasty about this despite him being 100 percent wrong.

Yes.

I would believe Dr Hilton on this very issue of which athletes have physical advantages and which don't.

Particularly over posters who use terms like 'sex fascists' for women who prioritise sex over gender when recognising sex is very important. Such as sport.

None of us have any idea what this person's genitalia looks like. Nor do we need to.

The IOC needs to commission an independent test and put this whole thing to bed. That's a very simple solution. So why won't they do this?

This is another example of misinformation all over social media This man was not "born with a vagina".

It’s strange how intersex athletes always choose to compete in the female categories, isn’t it?

Women do not have XY chromosomes and are (usually) born with vaginas. The person in question seems to have a DSD. DSDs are sex specific, so whether the person has a vagina or not, they have XY chromosomes and have gone through male puberty, so are male.

He's a man though so there's that! He's chosen to do this. He's chosen cheating because he has a female birth certificate by mistake and can use this to his advantage. Same as Semanya.

Awful men, both of them. They bring sport into disrepute and make fools of people.

Mediocre male boxers could be beaten by elite female boxers, sometimes. I'm not saying it's ok for males and females to fight each other even if the women might win btw, as PP has shown, its incredibly dangerous for the women no matter how skilled and strong they are. But having ever been beaten by elite women isn't evidence that that athlete belongs in the women's competition, otherwise all poor male athletes would be eligible for the women's competition.

Completely putting aside the discussion of the post, why have you ended your comment with "take care"?
Are we supposed to think it makes you look caring? Or is it a version of the irritating "end of" to try to say that the discussion is over now you've spoken?

A vagina is not sufficient.

A lot of people on here seem to think that it's routine for testing to be done in the UK, but that's only the case if there is visible ambiguity. Not all DSDs include visible external ambiguity. Otherwise you would probably find out much later.

Also, I can definitely see a world in which an elite sportswoman assumes that she hasn't had a period because of training, especially as the early puberty we are seeing now is a relatively new phenomenon. Getting a period for the first time at 16, 17, 18 was pretty common not very long ago.

They may have “male” chromosomes , but insisting that this makes them “male” is both a nonsense scientifically and medically, and also deeply offensive and discriminatory.

No. It is using very clear language to avoid confusion and to reflect 'science' and 'medical' understanding around particular athletes.

Any poster labelled the use of 'male' as 'deeply offensive' is a poster who is entrenched in their own philosophical belief and who wishes to shame anyone else who does not comply.

It is also not discriminatory to use 'male' when discussing issues where that very pertinent fact is vital to recognise.

What is offensive, is this constant barrage of emotional manipulation to distract from discussing this issue rationally.

Eh? Where has anyone said this person has a cervix? Where has anyone said they had their testosterone checked? The sporting body said the test they failed was not a testosterone test. Where are you getting this from?

Also, I can definitely see a world in which an elite sportswoman assumes that she hasn't had a period because of training, especially as the early puberty we are seeing now is a relatively new phenomenon. Getting a period for the first time at 16, 17, 18 was pretty common not very long ago.

Sportsperson or not, anyone who thinks they are a woman, but hasn't had a period by 20 would get that checked by a doctor surely?

But as both boxers have already failed gender eligibility tests (and not appealed the result) they are not in the dark about there being a question mark.

You are making statements for which you have no proof at all. There are 2 confirmed facts. 1: This athlete was found to have the male Y chromosome in a test last year by the International Boxing Association. He was subsequently banned from women's matches. Significantly, he did NOT appeal the ruling, which he was entitled to do.
2: The IOC stated publicly that they rely solely on the sex on an athlete's passport.