to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

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Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

Absolutely @Runningupthecurtains - my 12 year old DS who is a good couple of inches shorter than me is much much stronger. It's actually quite staggering just how much stronger he is.

Oh heavens no, god forbid we upset th poor men and hurt their feelings, perish the thought!

@californiaisdreaming My cat's had his testicles removed.
Pretty sure that hasn't made him female.
What a stupid and worthless analogy.
Did your cat have female organs added to him at the time of his neutering?
Doubt it, so still a male.
You will have to do better than that🤔

No one gender critical says no penis means you are a woman because that would mean a man who had his penis removed would turn into a woman and that doesn't happen he would be a man without a penis.

@Tandora sorry if I missed a previous answer but what scientific discipline is your PhD in?

If she’s stuck in the middle, she competes as a man, otherwise it’s not fair.
Her issue is sad, it’s not her fault, but female born athletes shouldn’t suffer.

At 16yo, my nephew was swimming faster than the women’s world record in his best event. He’d never make a men’s Olympic team.

Agree.

They are right behind this cheat because they will always assume anyone is a mendacious liar and yet they will carefully overlook the enormous amount of money that man is fighting for. His future as a " heroine" that they are promoting is all about money for him and the men that have got him there.

That's the reality of the social justice world, they are so easily used to generate cash streams from the gullible to thieves whilst yelling at everyone else that doesn't have their foolish naivety.

Why are you shouting?

Wtaf is endosex?

They have, but that same performance is elite in women. When I was doing my A levels, someone produced a piece of coursework that would have been reasonable, though not exceptional, at the BA undergraduate level. That same piece of work was exceptional for an A level. Do you think anyone took it as an insult that it wasn't exceptional for older people working at a much more advanced level?

You do actually understand this, you're just scrabbling around for anything to justify the dangerous absurdities you want everyone to swallow.

IBA defines a female as someone with XX chromosomes.
IOC defines a female as someone with Female on their passport.

These two boxers failed the eligibility tests of the IBA to be defined as female. They passed the IOC eligibility test.

Are all men massively sport and muscular?
No
But they are stronger than women.

If every athlete at higher than 'club' level had a simple DNA test if they wished to compete in Female class events we would easily sort the men from the women. This would hold good and be reliable in nearly all cases.
For those with a rare condition that enables an accepted woman to hold Y chromosomes in her cells there could be an appeals procedure. In which other factors could be taken into account.
a) A simple DNA test would be similar to those we take on Ancestry, or as we see depicted in detective dramas on TV. a cotton bud on a stick
b) The number of appeals would be small and may well cause some 'unfairness' to a very few individuals.
I suggest that those who fail because of having a Y chromosome should be sacrificed for the good of the many women who have suffered because of competition against the likes of Lia Thomas.

Raised as and lives as a woman

Someone who has typical sex development.

He's not a man?

What a waste of an afternoon.

This really is all you've got now, isn't it? I suppose now that you've admitted you don't see the point of female athletes if males can beat them, there was nowhere else to go.

And although the women, and trans women, and cis women with diverse sex development, who participate at Olympic level in female sports, might not be able to beat the top cis , endosex, male athletes , I do not see them in any way as being the equivalent of “shit” or “mediocre” men.

The Olympics is to find the best of a certain group, the group in this case being people with a female body. Having a female body is different than having a male body and we celebrate that.
We don't celebrate the best of those with a female body and some people who have a somewhat okish male body.

So where do we go from here? Do female athletes get their own group or do male people who want to compete against them get their way even though they can compete in the mens group if they wanted to. It can't be both. It is really pick a side.

I am with the world athletics, world swimming and world rugby btw. Female means female

the women, and trans women, and cis women with diverse sex development, who participate at Olympic level in female sports

Are you supportive of all trans women in women's sports? What about the majority of trans women, who take no hormonal treatment and retain all their male advantage? Would you be happy if there were no natal women winning any events? That's the logical conclusion, no?

Actually, yes one would. If it were me, I'd just publish the result and stop all the discussion. The IBA have not actually stated an XY chromosome was tested for or found (at least in anything I've seen), only that an "unspecified eligibility criteria" was not met.

It is indeed.

Does anyone know if he actually has a vagina? The lovely tube that connects the external vulva and womb? Let’s use the correct terms … a vagina cannot be seen without internal exam. Vulva is the outside vagina stuff.

Or, does he have a not a typical penis, and external tissue that looks like a vulva but is actually was a not fully formed testicular sac? Maybe a “void” that could be mistaken for an actual vagina?

We know he has testes because his body makes testosterone.

But trans women do participate in sports. They have participated , and women’s sports have survived. Most top female athletes are cis and endosex.

Actually, yes one would. If it were me, I'd just publish the result and stop all the discussion.

They can't do this. But you know who could? The two boxers.