to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

[taylorswift1989]

Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

Given the controversy, I think maybe blood tests need to be introduced.

So as not to just mess up women's sports because of men, all athletes not just females.

Test the blood, get the chromosal result.

The precise genetic result should be kept as medically private information, the same way athlete's dates of births are.

But the result of "does contain a Y chromosome" or "doesn't contain a Y chromosome" should be no more considered private medical information than their ages are. The sporting bodies should at least have this information to make a decision on eligibility.

Their criteria for who is eligible should have to be clear, for example "doesn't have a Y chromosome, rather than "underwent an unspecified test, the results of which we can't release"

The IOC pretty much confirmed that it was a DSD issue when they had to issue a correction to a statement given at a press conference

The Williams sisters are far from mediocre and not one person has said the performance of female champions is mediocre. You're arguing they are mediocre if they can't beat mediocre men.

Those of us still tethered to reality can acknowledge their achievements without deluding ourselves about their chances in a game with a pretty average male player.

I can't decide if it's other people posts or your own that you are either not reading or not understanding.

She’s not the least confused , absolutely on the money.

My 16 year old is almost a foot taller than me, but about half my weight and he is stronger than me too. Wonder what difference that makes in sports that require power, like I don't know lets say boxing?

For those of you who want a genuine scientist's viewpoint & information, here's a Twitter/X thread from Dr Emma Hilton, a qualified expert evolutionary biologist, who knows about this stuff:

https://x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1819754857001083298

I'd trust this over all the men's rights activists ...

I think when gender critical women are writing ‘vagina’ you really need to read that as ‘vagina, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, eggs etc etc etc’. The requirement really isn’t just an opening and a fleshy tunnel. The fleshy tunnel needs to attach to some fertility equipment that could gestate a foetus .

Do you believe a ‘trans man’ should box in the female category?

If it can be done with a cheek swab instead of a blood test, even better.

Oh... A cheeky swob... 😅 That can definitely be faulty when checking for umm... DNA

They should doing their own tests and test blood test for T, DNA and enhancement drugs.

Congratulations.

Me too.

Does it matter what the criteria were? They failed to qualify to compete with women. Except in this one space, due to administrative processes.

Is that the best you can manage?

I think when gender critical women are writing ‘vagina’ you really need to read that as ‘vagina, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, eggs etc etc etc’. The requirement really isn’t just an opening and a fleshy tunnel. The fleshy tunnel needs to attach to some fertility equipment that could gestate a foetus .

This. A female reproductive system as opposed to a male one, is what it means.

@KielderWater

Do you agree with a transman competing in women’s boxing?
Your question is irrelevant because she is NOT trans🙄

Nope just a bog standard cheating man!

Correct,he's a man.

Is that the best you can manage?

It's Twitter/Reddit level discourse, which works there where you can either block or restrict replies or control the narrative with selective moderation, but not here where it will be dissected by people who know why you're talking bollocks.

Please can you provide a link for this. I have read so much and can’t find anything like this anywhere.
Also with Lin Yu-ting they specifically said she failed a biochemical test. So not a gender test. So why did they use a biochemical test for Yu-ting but a genetic one for Khelif?

I haven't seen any report of a proved XY chromosome from a reliable body. The IOC haven't seen one, and none of the news outlets have seen one. There is a rumour about a previous test, but nobody ever supplied the test result.

That isn't to say it doesn't exist, or that there is no XY chromosome. Just that there is no evidence.

I couldn't see it in the link you sent either.

Do you understand that the men who cheat their way into female sport whether that's because they have a DSD or they are 'self identifying' would never get near qualifying for the male Olympics?

They are not the same men. Male athletes who are good enough to be in the Olympics compete as men.

If not 'mediocre' what word would you use for men, not good enough to make it in elite men's sport, who cheat their way into female sport?

My cat's had his testicles removed.

Pretty sure that hasn't made him female.

External genitalia is not the determining factor.

Just going to post this here again: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/ only in a VERY rare case does the presence of a Y chromosome result in a female sex AND THEY WOULD NOT DEVELOP ANY MALE CHARACTERISTICS. I think it is VERY clear Khalif has gone through male puberty.

Poster is not referring to Khalif but to a female boxer who identified as a man

Oh dear.

Do you know how many cells are collected in one cheek swab? Have you ever worked in a forensic testing lab? Do you think they do each test once? 😀

Honestly, you ploppers are hilarious. And youve left it toonlate, the thread is almost full, with same, rational people that can see cheating and unfairness, bar the odd exception who are using DSD to further their nonsensical ide tity politics. For what reason, we'd need psychiatrist to work that one out.