to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

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Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

These conditions are extremely rare and the exceptions don't disprove the rule. That XX is female and XY is male.

If the rule was always true there wouldn’t be exceptions. The existence of exceptions is rare, but they exist; the general rule still (mostly) works only as a generalisation.

My daughter has high testosterone.

Should she be terrified too?

I’d much rather they weren’t deleted so thank you for your support in continuing to give them life. Not hyperbole at all, a very reasonable descriptor.

"Sex is a spectrum"

SPERM - SPERG - SPEGG - EGG

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How do you know she was 'born with a vagina' ? The only comment relating to this I have seen is an Olympics official saying she was 'born as a woman'.
Intersex people often have mixed sexual organs- labia but no vagina, an enlarged clitoris and testicles inside the body and XY chromosomes.
Our chromosomes are what define our sex. If you have a Y chromosome you are male.

Some people are born with missing lower limbs but humans are still bipedal. We don't talk about legs being a spectrum.

i edited because I thought you were the poster I directed my question to, but then I realised you weren’t , so I removed the reference to her precious statements.

Wouldn't the tiny percentage of people with a dsd that would be able to carry and birth a human be women with a dsd?

I don't think a man with dsd, someone with xy chromosomes, could do that?

I have to hold my hands up to being fairly ignorant of the subject until the boxing scandal. I read that an I terse person is always either:

a) A woman with a dsd.

b) A man with a dsd.

The men may not have a penis, but they don't have female sex organs either and due to internal testes go through male puberty.

Also sickeningly in some countries boy children with a dsd are actively sought out and cultivated into sports, as they will have an advantage over women.

That particular poster is a TRA who discovered CAIS just a few days ago and is exploiting DSD's in a "sex is a spectrum/complicated" argument.

I don't disagree - but there's probably a lot more riding on this than the TRAs. I bet there's a whole industry and setup here that's gonna kick back as hard as they can against XX only sport.

And there we have it.

If you refrained from making abusive comments and negative generalisations that are false, your comments would remain there for all to see. Perhaps if you do want them to stay on threads, you might choose to not name call or make negative generalisation.

That you think calling people you disagree with Sex Fascists is something to be proud of, then by all means - keep wheeling it out at every opportunity you can. It is incredibly persuasive.

These arguments are largely semantic and therefore fairly pointless. Whether we call sex a “binary” or a “spectrum” (the truth is that’s another binary that doesn’t work), there are people who, for example, have a male karyotype and a female phenotype. So we have ambiguity of where to place them in a system where we insist that everyone must simply be classified as one or the other. The difference of opinions on this thread of whether such people should compete in male or female sports is itself evidence of this ambiguity.

Phelps also competed against other elite male swimmers who were also physically advantaged when it came to swimming - otherwise they wouldn't be elite male swimmers. It wasn't a perfectly adapted specimen v nerdy Nigel the accountant, shorty Steve the IT guy and wheezy Wane the bus driver. Every man he swam against would also have long limbs, big feet and a degree of hyper mobility.

Yes, that’s exactly what I said. They are genetically male. With all the effects that that brings. Are you honestly this obtuse in real life…
And by saying “nothing more nothing less” you’re implying that it’s no big deal? If you’re a scientist I’m the Queen of Sheba 😂

The difference of opinions on this thread of whether such people should compete in male or female sports is itself evidence of this ambiguity.

No, it isn't. The difference of opinion between people who believe the earth is flat and people who don't isn't evidence of any ambiguity in the matter.

You are right I shouldn’t call people that. I should say that the views they express and the behaviour they exhibit is reasonably characterised as a kind of sexual fascism.

Oh dear. That is very clear, isn't it?

And yet, we have had posters tell us baldly that the 'lump' we can see in the shorts is just 'a fold in the material'. I look forward to those same posters gaslighting us further.

Upthread, I said that I'd post an article about a village with a number of babies assumed to be female but undergoing a male puberty. The headline's a bit on the sensational side, I'm afraid.

nationalpost.com/news/world/inside-the-astonishing-village-where-about-1-in-90-kids-are-born-girls-and-become-boys-at-puberty

But you have very knowledgeable people on this thread who conform to your view (that sex is binary and xy=male) who say that they have no problem with women with CAIS (who have xy chromosomes) participating in female sports .

If he's a woman what's he holding here then?

It’s a cult which hopefully is starting to end.

They are genetically male.
they have male type chromosomes.

With all the effects that that brings.

No!! Sometimes with almost none of the effects that brings.

please read the thread or do some reading!!

there are people who disagree with me who have explained the science .
on. This. Thread.

It's a bit rich for you to be accusing others of arguments that are 'largely semantic'. Everything you believe in relies of the twisting of words.

Once again none of what you say applies to the boxer in question because based on what we do know he has a male karyotype and I see no evidence of a female phenotype. Quite the opposite.

Great. And then have your definition of what 'sexual fascism' means and why you are labelling other posters in that way.

Good for you that you feel you are the thin progressive wedge of social discourse and feel that you can set yourself up as the moral authority enough to call the majority of people 'Sex Fascists. I am quite sure that those you admonish in this way, or even the more polite way, will be convinced by your arguments.

Thanks for sharing that, it was an interesting read.

Women do not have CAIS. They can carry the genetic mutation and pass it on but they do not have CAIS because they do not have XY chromosomes. CAIS is exclusively exhibited by males.
Honestly I think you’re just on the wind up at this point.