to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

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Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

The WBO and the IBA have confirmed that testing done at the court of arbitration for sport have ruled that these two boxers are ineligible to participate in female boxing.

It disgraceful that the IOC are allowing males to punch females.

Why does make feelings always override female safety?

Sex is binary I am afriad

Question- Do you consider women with CAIS male or female? What about women with Swyer ?

Even if we were to concede that sex isn't binary and there is M, F and other why should the other be put into the F category rather than the M category?

This is bullshit. Sex is onserved at birth but it is determined at comception. Hence why I was able to determine that I was carrying boys at 11 or 12 weeks of pregnancy as I had foetal cells extracted and chromosomal analysis done that showed they had XY pair 23 sex chromosomes and not XX.

Lo and behold they popped out as babies with little willies and tiny testicles and turned into hulking great men from age 11 that could physically pin me down from about the same age, which was no surprise!

Why would you immediately jump to the conclusion that an elite female boxer couldn’t possibly beat a male?? Is that what you’re basing your nonsense on? How fkg insulting to female athletes.

They dropped it after Atlanta, despite 82% of female athletes being in favour of it. My initial assumption is that they dropped it due to cost but this has allowed the loophole to be exploited. Ironically they could have easily saved themselves time and effort by simply telling the individual sports governing bodies that they need to carry out the tests at some point prior to Olympic qualification.

As I said upthread, the common sense approach would be to do it as soon as an athlete registers with a governing body - so for most this would probably be in their teens. That way it happens discreetly away from the public gaze and people can have faith that they are watching a fair competition by the time they reach elite levels.

She was punched in the face by a man with male genetics who had gone through male puberty.

@Skinthin the WBO, IBA and CAS say that they are ineligible to compete in female sports. They are not a "cis" (sic) woman.

Nope,she was punched in the face by a bloke.

Here you go lilbrowndog

ww.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045542&CJEVENT=f4d4c8630a0411ed831b01a80a1c0e11

This paper discusses it. It is from the group who used the information to convince the IOC to drop the tests. They used human rights as a major argument. It was all emotional reasoning. And it always amazed me that not one of them even thought about the impact on female people.

From the article "At the time of testing, all female athletes at the Atlanta Games were offered a questionnaire written in both English and French asking whether in their view testing of females should be continued in future Olympics and whether or not they were made anxious by the testing procedure.18Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued and 94% indicated that they were not made anxious by the procedure. Forty-six athletes were made "anxious" by the testing requirements that preceded their competitive events. No males were found to masquerade as females, and all females who were found to be SRY positive competed. While a similar proportion of females failed the test as in previous Olympics (Table 2), it is noteworthy that on this occasion no false positive tests were found and no athlete was barred from competition.'

So, 82% of the women answered that they felt sex testing should continue when surveyed at the 1996 Olympics. This was ignored.

Female people simply did not figure in the IOC decision to drop sex testing. Not their safety. Not their need for fairness.

I feel that those stating it’s only about the chromosone would be saying the opposite if the Olympian had XX chromosomes and male sex organs such as testes, never mind if down the road their own kid finds out one day that they are unexpectedly intersex, for example during fertility issues. It feels pragmatic that those with female sex organs will generally be raised female - but can appreciate the challenges this has raised for elite sport - it would be good to see a consistent and clear approach on intersex competitors.

This is a brilliant and factual walk through of the elements that are important 👏👏

I do think they have to move to cheek swabs

this is destroying our faith and enjoyment in womens sport and also in various sporting bodies including IOC.

i love womens sport but now I find myself questioning am I actually watching women or men

this is where the IOC in these Olympics has taken us to

What evidence do you have that Khelif is a believer in gender ideology? If not why are you referring to him with language reflecting that belief system?

Are you fucking joking? Her behaviour was just fine, she was cheated out of a fair fight and smacked in the head by a man! I wish she hadn't apologised, I don't believe she wanted to either, more likely forced into it, but that's just my opinion.

They are male. That's the reality, however for all intents and purposes the world will superficially see them as women because they are androgen insensitive.

Whether this gives them a sporting advantage is a conversation that needs to be had truthfully and the starting point for that is admitting they are genetically male.

However it's disingenuous for you to keep bringing up people with CAIS in order to misdirect because whatever DSD the two male boxers in question have it is not CAIS because clearly they are NOT androgen insensitive.

Oh yes silly emotional woman am I, with my inability to be rational, and my tendency to hyperbole .

im not sure why you keep repeating the “sex fascist” comments? I stand by them: an accurate descriptor of many of the views expressed on this thread.

She is a woman. The previous tests were not published and were carried out by a now proven corrupt organization.
She has a natural advantage. Are we going to start disqualifyng freakishly tall people from basketball or petite people from gymnastics. Michael Phelps has longer arms than 99.9% of the population, do we ban him?

She was beaten by women in previous fights.
Trans phones want it every way- you need a vagina to be a woman, now suddenly that's not enough.

But it does in the biological definition. The number of DSD that are born every year do not significantly alter the norm. They are a rare expression of the normal male genetic form due entirely to genetic abnormality.
Most genetic abnormalities are not compatible with life. These acknowledged faults like other types of genetic faults are those that are compatible with life.
Like all gene disorders they are the result of mutation. The majority of DSDs render the individual infertile so that they are not inherited by subsequent generations.

Women’s opinions and voices being ignored??!
Oooh what a shock. Not.

We simply don’t matter, do we?

Thanks Hellabore

He was beaten by women in previous fights????????

Hold the front page.

Please don't cis-gender people, I find it offensive. 😆

The tests were carried out by the court of sport arbitration not the IBA