To think the Khelif issue is now raising more big questions in sport

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Biological men should not be fighting women how is this even happening ?? Two 'women' failed eligibility tests by the IBA. Yet the IOC deem them suitable it's mind boggling

I remember reading the reports and the articles those campaign groups used and it was always emotional response supporting the male athlete.

Which is funny since they're always trying to invalidate women by calling them irrational.

Unless you think FIFA should also close down or be ignored because of its corruption scandals, I'd think again. There is no reason to doubt the IBA's sex testing protocol.

This.

And the cherry on the cake of this whole misogynistic debacle is that some people are saying that Angela Carini - who won her place at the Olympics fair and square - is just not a very good boxer, when the truth is that he is just not a very good male boxer which is why he hasn't beaten every woman he has ever competed against.

But yes, I'm fully supportive of a genetic test to be carried out.

There’s no point.

They have XY chromosomes, they look completely male by outward physiology with a male facial structure, broad shoulders, masculine muscle tone, well above average female height, deeper voice, they have higher T levels than a woman. You’d not for a second think this was a biological woman in passing. Yet gender activists will play the same emperor’s new clothes line they always have. Only on the bases that this person’s DSD was either not recognised or (more likely) mistreated as a child meaning they weren’t raised as the sex they evidently are. This is a golden ticket for activists who only care about a gotcha moment over fair play for women.

I think the misogynistic cherry on the cake is the Dutch convicted rapist even being allowed to be in the olympics to begin with.

But they are taking advantage? It’s a shame their feelings are hurt but if their chromosomes are male then they are male, there’s no ambiguity with it. Im extremely sorry for Imane that they grew up having been assigned a gender which isn’t aligned to their sex due to DSD, but now it has come to light unfortunately they have to take themselves out of women’s sport as their development is that of a male and their testosterone is at male levels. To continue to compete against women (female sex to avoid any doubt 🙄) is to take advantage.

Plenty of actual women also cannot have children for various reasons, they don’t get a free pass in life.

This athlete was born with female genitals and assigned female at birth. She is female with DSD. That is her recorded sex and condition as I’ve stated several times. She is not male though she has male characteristics which I have never disputed. I’m really sorry but I do not know how to make it clearer to you but I suspect it wouldn’t matter anyway. You have decided someone is male and that’s that

That too.

Well you must have been to have decided she’s male

You do not know she was born with female genitals though do you? Yes his sex was wrongly recorded at birth, so what?
Nope it doesn't matter I have eyes and I can see and what I saw was a man!

The athlete is male and while the genitals may be ambiguous (though what you can see in his shorts looks pretty clear) they are not female. Sex isn't defined by genitals anyway.

You're doing nothing but arguing by assertion. Your entire case rests on people believing that things become true just by being spoken but they don't.

Why do you not accept the boxing authority's statement on this?

Well, if the internationally discredited IBA says it's true it must be true. After all they provided so much evidence of that claim. So. Much. Evidence.

Well, lots of evidence.

OK, some evidence.

A bit of evidence.

Any evidence?

Oh.

He has XY chromosomes. Whatever the APPEARANCE was of his genitalia at birth the presence of the Y determines he is, in fact, male and always was, and will be.

This is so pathetically ignorant I actually feel sorry for you

Right back atcha toots😘

Do you have any idea how many laws they'd be breaking if they disclosed someone's private medical information to the media without their consent?

You could see individual chromosomes? You must have a hell of a TV.

Women with XY chromosomes have given birth.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

So why did he drop his appeal against the ban?

The other male boxer involved didn't even bother to appeal...........

What conceivable reason would the IBA have to lie.

And why doesn't the IOC put the whole matter to bed by doing a DNA test instead of relying on an 'f' on a passport?

This pic says everything:

What reason could the Russian-led IBA want to claim that the person who beat the only Russian in the tournament was ineligible to win?

Hmm. I wonder.

This athlete was born with female looking genitals and incorrectly assigned female at birth. She is female male with DSD.

Fixed that for you.

By your own admission this is not someone who is a straightforward XX female, with female pheno and karyotype. Only those that are, qualify to compete in the women's categories.

An error made at birth, a 'not a proper' male, does not equal female. Women are not anyone who isn't 'properly' male.