To think the Khelif issue is now raising more big questions in sport

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Biological men should not be fighting women how is this even happening ?? Two 'women' failed eligibility tests by the IBA. Yet the IOC deem them suitable it's mind boggling

And then he was told by the IBA two years running that he had failed the sex testing and was not eligible to compete for safety reasons. Yet here he is.

My heart does not bleed.

Lin was also banned by IBF.

Turned up here in the Olympics and I think will get a medal. Possibly gold

White woman weaponising her tears. This is what I’ve heard some women say

I posted this in response on another thread. I think those who are trying to leverage this danger, being written about by Pink News apparently, needs to be taken seriously.

If they are in danger, they need to be protected and this needs to be raised immediately so steps can be taken and this competitor can be kept safe.

However, it is NOT for female athletes to accept being put in harms way because the IOC has flawed and unfair policies and put this athlete into this situation. It is not for female athletes to be a protective shield for this athlete. This situation was entirely preventable. It should have been anticipated by the IOC. It is another piece of their negligence.

It is not female athletes fault or their responsibility.

Only a misogynist would ever suggest this.

I would be fucking crying too if I spent my life training for a sport and then a bloke cheated in front of the world, took my trophy and everyone applauded him

This

She was also angry and frustrated. You could see it in her face. She cried at end

He's a bloke, he rose to the top of women's sport because he's a bloke, and 'compassion' in this context is code for 'shut up women and don't criticise the bloke'.

I don't know if I've misunderstood your post but Nicola Adams is against the fight. She does not support the inclusion.

Her being black or a lesbian has nothing to do with it. Her being a biological female and a gold medal winner in the sport has everything to do with it as she is clearly more qualified to comment than those of us who have no experience of boxing.

I think Lin is top seed

previously banned to compete. But here he is

Afternoon @Tandora am I getting your clarification on your statements that we are sexual fascists and that you support trans rights today then? This'll be the third thread where I've asked politely for your answers to these questions:

Does sexual fascism mean women having sex segregated sports, healthcare, prisons, rape crisis centres etc etc?

Does sexual fascism mean lesbians who refuse to "do lady dick"?

What rights do trans people not have that the rest of society benefits from?

I would await the answers with baited breath, but I'd pass out from lack of oxygen.

For a more impartial and reasonable take on the issue:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2024/08/01/boxers-under-fire-olympic-gender-tests/74634233007/

The article looks into the matter in depth, but the conclusion is basically:
“There aren't a whole lot of facts right now. There are, however, plenty of reasons to be skeptical about the explosive narrative that a man was boxing women at the Olympics when you consider the underlying issues with that claim.”

Another quite from the article:
“Amy Broadhurst, an Irish world champion boxer who has been in the ring with Khelif and beaten her, posted on X that, "Personally I don't think she has done anything to 'cheat'. I thinks (sic) it's the way she was born & that's out of her control. The fact that she has been (beaten) by 9 females before says it all."
She followed: "If this is a man and it becomes 100% fact, I'll be disgusted that I was in the ring and so was many others. A man vs a woman is far from ok. But right now nobody knows what the true facts are."

Which is precisely the issue and why anyone getting on their high horse is an idiot. Right now Khelif has done nothing wrong that can be backed up by fair objective evidence other than look a bit masculine.

Yes so let me get this straight, Sitora Turdibekova is expected to concede her fight to a bloke and farewell her olympic ambition in case of the dim and distant possibility that someone in Algeria might be mean to said bloke?

Why would anyone in Algeria be mean to the bloke? He's a bloke.

Honestly I know women throughout history have been regularly told to step aside and minimise their abilities so that a man can look good but this instance really takes the biscuit.

I'm amazed that the bloke didn't also tell Turdibekova to 'smile love, it might never happen'.

That isn't very impartial or reasonable, is it.

"Personally I don't think she has done anything to 'cheat'. I thinks (sic) it's the way she was born & that's out of her control.

Dude cheated by getting in the ring.

My DS was watching this last fight and I walked in and said is that the man? My son said, she isn’t trans she is a woman. She was born with female bits. I explained what I had read so far, how it was easier to assign a baby as a girl than a male without a penis, poor countries etc. not sure he believed me but we really need someone to go on the media and explain it clearly and biologically. Youngsters are believing this stuff.

Apart from the tests from 2022 and 2023 from the IBA that showed both athletes being discussed were not eligible to compete in women's boxing.

Are you calling us idiots and suggesting we are on our high horses?

The IOC must clarify: What tests did the athletes fail? What disorder of sexual development do they have? Are they male or female? These are not difficult questions.

I believe bat that this a correct interpretation of what was posted.

I don’t think you even need to see a medical person in Ireland. It was recommended by the Committee, but the activists seemed to have ignored the advice.

To falsify/change your birth certificate to your ‘gender of preference’, you fill in a form. Now you do have to go to the extraordinary trouble of getting it witnessed (I think), and fork out 20 Euro for a copy. But voila, a man can have his birth certificate falsified to state that he is a woman. And vice versa. All of Ireland, men and women, could be eligible to box in the women’s category.

I don’t know why the olympics don’t accept a letter from every athlete’s gov’t stating that all their athletes are doping free. Why do they insist on testing being carried out? Russians/Chinese/former East European countries. It’s as if they know a wee bit of paper like that wouldn’t mean anything.

Bloody hell.
She's Uzbek, so hardly 'white'.

Did you miss the whole 'failing the eligibility test twice' bit and not appealing the result 🙄

I posted the passport rules on 'gender' change upthread.

'Before we can issue a passport in the changed gender, we need evidence confirming the gender change is likely to be permanent (unless the customer identifies as a crossdresser). This evidence may be a:

• Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) or an interim GRC; or
• new birth certificate issued in the new gender; or
• letter or written statement from a medical professional and where needed:
• a statement from the customer and a referee for crossdressers
• consent from everyone who has parental responsibility or legal guardianship for anyone under the age of 18 years (or a specific issues court order)

Customers who apply to change the gender on their passport, who do not have a GRC, must submit a letter or written statement with their application, from a medical professional that confirms they use their specified name and specified gender for all purposes. You must also ask for evidence they are using this identity (gender and name) for all purposes (for example, bank statements, utility bills or payslips).'

Crossdressers just need to write a statement.

For a more impartial and reasonable take on the issue:

I think you mean a "take" that is in line with the cognitive biases of people for whom this is a comparatively novel issue unlike some of the regular posters on FWR who have been reading up about and commenting on these issues for years…writers like Ingles and Tucker who came round to this some years ago.

I thought so, just wanted to clarify. That is rude and bullshit. I am glad to be an idiot and on my high horse in that case.