To think the Khelif issue is now raising more big questions in sport

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Biological men should not be fighting women how is this even happening ?? Two 'women' failed eligibility tests by the IBA. Yet the IOC deem them suitable it's mind boggling

I find it remarkable that there are posters who think that we, the general public, should have access to these athlete's medical records and the test results.

No. This will not happen and it should not happen.

The only reason we know the specific DSD that Semenya had, for instance, is because Semenya went to court to overturn the regulation that demanded suppression of testosterone to allow Semenya to continue to claim gold medals. It was there that the DSD and Semenya's testosterone levels were released in witness statements.

If some posters are seriously expecting to have the full details before they feel they can make any decision on this issue, those posters are going to be disappointed. Maybe forever disappointed.

To protect female athletes, we need to work with what we know. The IBA has now released two statements about this. They have stated as clearly as they can without crossing the line in giving personal medical history.

Their statement had two parts.

These two athletes failed the initial eligibility test. To be eligible to compete in the IBA competitions female competitors need to be XX. That is the first part.

Secondly, the IBA claim that their tests showed that these athletes had physical advantage over female athletes. This is as clear as the IBA can make it to say these athletes have both gone through male puberty to get those advantages.

No female competitor is going to be excluded because they 'have an advantage'. The IBA would certainly have lost any appeals made against such a decision and rightfully. Neither of these athletes appealed the decision. Because it was clear in the IBA policy.

biology so basic, that multiple animals disguise themselves as a different sex than what they actually are as a method to mate, but sure whatever you know better than cuttlefish or lizards

Ah mate, even the TRAs have realised that argument doesn't stack with humans. Need to get the new manual. Feel for you.

That literally proves animals know what biological sex they are, you utter, utter fool 🤣

@Chersfrozenface I'm not on Instagram, would you be able to screenshot and post? TIA

Humans aren't cuttlefish or lizards.

ALL MAMMALS have two sexes. Cuttlefish and lizards are not in the Mammalian class.

Why would a woman disguise themselves as a man? The supply / demand in humans is the other way around (as women take 9 months to gestate a child and a man can inseminate multiple women in a very short space of time) And if they 'disguise themselves to mate' then they're hoping to attract a mate as the same sex as them which - and this might be a shock - is not going to result in progeny as it will result in two of the same gametes uselessly bumping together (before you even get to the physiology and mechanics) so doesn't seem to be a brilliant evolutionary strategy (for humans).

Exactly, they’re the only ‘woman’ you see. I wonder why….oh wait, no I don’t at all.

Yes, I'm sure in a few years' time vets will agree that female cats who like to watch the football are trans male cats.

Wow, to suggest a biological female boxer may not die at the hands of a biological male boxer is absurd.
What happened at the Olympics is violence against women.

'disguise'
You've just proven the point exactly. You're backed by academic papers on this subject which use vocabulary including 'mimicry' and 'deception', there is no actual change of sex.
Khelif is using his male privilege to pretend to be female, aided and abetted by a corrupt IOC and idiots like you.

They have a Y chromosome.

Unbelievably that is all it takes to make a man.

It really is incredible when you think about it. One little Y and they are faster, stronger and more likely to kill you. It’s not as small a Y in its expression.

So that why I draw the line at that.

And I do welcome the full expression of XX disorders. If we have an XX who’s got the testosterone of a man yet still XX, or an XX with 6 arms in boxing, or flipper feet or whatever else. That is a natural woman who’s been dealt a very good hand for their sport and should still be able to play against women.

What on earth are you talking about? Some male birds pretend to be female in order to get past other DISTRACTED males and mate with the female, who obviously knows they’re a male or they wouldn’t be mating with them. What do you think that proves? Do you think animals just go around humping everything and sometimes getting lucky and reproduce? Do you think the dinosaurs went extinct because they got confused over who was male and who was female and stop breeding?! 😂

Don’t under estimate the issues this causes, it affects your funding, it affects the support you get from your country and your team. The training camps, the nutritionist provided. If you don’t place, you don’t get that. Future careers, and media interest. All lost because you came fourth to three men

It's not just a high testosterone level - she also has male chromosones and likely part male sex organs. She was only called a girl at birth as they couldn't determine whether she had male or female organs.

@GiddyMember I know you’re busy typing, but have you actually read AND THOUGHT ABOUT any of the posts other people are making?

The evidence is clear that Imane is only female by paperwork.

Imane could be perfectly safe at home.
Only by entering women’s boxing and punching women has Imane’s sex become a discussion point.

Imane has chosen to ignore the fact they failed eligibility tests for competing as a woman. Imane is choosing to be here in this position.

The women who are fighting in the ring chose to box women, not men. They are the ones whose risk is heightened by someone else’s actions. Not Imane.

🤣🤣

No. but it does make you male.

its not our fault you don’t understand biology

Iman was born female with external female gentalia. She has not had a sex change.

She has a biological condition which causes elevated testosterone levels. (DSD)

so she is female by birth … it’s a tricky one

Well it can yes. Have you not been watching the news.