To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

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Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

Is it possible to be far left without being Communist? My understanding of Marxism is that it is just a critique of Capitalism but doesn't offer solutions, otherwise that might be my political home.

My leanings are Socialist but Labour dropped Clause 4 and their commitment to Socialism in the 1990s to form New Labour under Smith, then Blair; Corbyn did go back to that and it resonated well hence he got more votes than Starmer but he 'blew it' with Brexit and sat on the fence, critiquing from a Marxist viewpoint hoping the Capitalists would implode - and we got Boris and 'Done Over' instead.

I'm happy that we have the current bunch in charge - didn't vote for them as a wasted vote in my constituency - but you go girls and the Starmertron too.

For far right you need to look in certain places, they are quite easy to find and even easier to avoid. Farage and Co are not far-right, CLR, but not RFR

Although that said I do have concerns about the threat of some far left ideology - gender ideology and the curtailment of free speech (such as ‘a man cannot be a woman’).

Seems to be the latest far right talking point. I’ve seen it all over the web lately including a lot on here. It’s to deny that the far right exists at all and go on the attack against anyone who calls out the far right fanatics. We see you. We’ve always known who the far right are, since the days of the National Front. Nice try, though.

She is saying you can't compare Saudi Arabian politics with UK politics and the far rights views of women are equally abhorrent regarding women.

In the run up to the election I watched a segment on the news where they were interviewing a group of people from a town and asking them who they were going to vote for. The only person in the group who said they were thinking of voting Reform was a black man.

So that doesn't fit with your prejudiced view if Reform are considered "Far Right".

Because it surprises you somebody can be consistent and rational while disagreeing with you on some things?

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I said that Saudi has its own issues and they are equally horrible as anything we face. They are. My point was trying to draw an equivalence between the far right and the far left in Europe will fail because it is different.

But, yet again. you know this.

Extreme nationalist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, religious fundamentalist.

Not believing in and wanting to abolish the welfare state.

Extreme views on law and order like death penalty and draconian sentencing.

Our most recent Conservative cabinet was very diverse, ethnically speaking. As well as allegedly also being very right wing. The Conservatives have installed 3 female Prime Ministers and Labour none. This makes the left wing uneasy as they have no explanation for it.

You’re just denying writing what I said you wrote and then writing it again!!

Absolute madness

That’s progressive not really far left as many far left people don’t agree with trans people. Personally I am progressive as I am not a bigot but you can be authoritarian and sit on the far left or be progressive same goes with the right to

What about fatists? Not fascists? I.e those who think this country is so obese that who cares who is what, everyone will be dead by 40 the way they’re eating…

How is it different?

Of course the philosophical premises are the same. It's only the practical interpretation and implementation of it which differs.

No, I don't think people do know what you mean.

You got that from her repeatedly saying we face “equally horrible” effects?

I don’t agree. I think left-wing people are far more anxious, bordering scared, about consuming any news sources or culture that aren’t ‘left-wing approved’. So they are wilfully ignorant in order to maintain ideological purity.

Extreme right-wing people on the other hand are idealistic too - wanting to ‘return’ to a time where everything was ‘better’.

I disagree. Gender ideology is a left wing vehicle - that’s why you won’t find Trump, Tommy Robinson, or Le Pen supporting and promoting it, only the Labour Party and other left wing groups.

Agree but they uses to say that Nazis we’re socialists because if the word national socialism forgetting that Nazis killed communists

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It means if you protest for innocent children who got killed for no reason then you are racist and must of course be part of the non existent edl and a violent thug.

What do you mean 'non existent edl' They were marching in central London on Saturday and "Tommy Robinson" has had to leave the country as he showed a banned video. I was then subjected to listening to the hateful rantings of a far right woman on the train home who spouted all sorts of ignorant hate before falling asleep beneath an English flag!

Any person of colour who decides that voting Reform or anything Right of it is wrongheaded. Do they honestly think the far Right actually like them?

I give you also Suella Braverman and Katherine Birbalsingh in this.

A lot of people have concerns about net migration numbers coming into this country but don’t admit to it for that very reason.

I’m a socialist too and politically in the U.K. I don’t know where I sit anymore. Labour have become rather centrist to me.

I really like Corbyn and agree with a lot of what he stands for, Javing grown up with a lot of Marxists. anarchists, Liberalists and so on I certainly wouldn’t call him anywhere near far left.
I think the media did him utterly disgustingly by suggesting he was an antisemite but that’s for another day. I’m not sure he lost purely over fence-sitting on Brexit, they marked his number on many things, his views on peace, war and armament I think hammered the nail into his coffin for many people.

I feel like it’s easier to be right wing politically in the U.K these days, there are many more homes for you to find. Which is a bit worrying to be honest.

It’s not really a valid argument to claim that the Conservative Party in the UK are to the extreme right. Often the centre ground is the winner in the uk.
Labour are generally left of centre and the conservatives right of centre. Different flavours of the month will have a peppering of views that lean a bit further right or further left but by and large the tories are not the extreme right and no reasonable person claims that.