To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

[Rainbowsponge]

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

This 100% 👆

Its a for the lazy trope for people who can't cope with the idea someone has opposing views.

All the reactions that reactions that stem from an unaddressed issue will cost

Given the choice between Aus policy and calm v where we’re heading I’d choose Aus approach

Too late to edit

I think people were mistaken when they envisaged what scrapping a deterrent would look like, so many argued they would see ‘safe routes’ or numbers would not increase

The reality is chaotic, expensive and flaring tensions

You can have a country that has none of that and where citizens are happy with it but it’s Aus that shows how

But the Aus policy had two prongs didn't it. Off shore processing & pushbacks.

Numbers of people travelling on boats actually rose when off shore processing was introduced.

Numbers of people travelling on boats fell sharply AFTER pushbacks were introduced.

Which was the deterrent?

Chart from the Times.

Yes. He and Orwell had them nailed.

100% how I would describe the far right, too.

So then, would you call people concerned about over-population? About multiculturalism that isn't working in their town or city? Crimes committed by those with no documentation?
What do you call those people?

We’ll see the reality of this new approach and I can’t see it not getting worse

Each summer numbers go up there will be more chaos

More suppression too

Aus has none of this. Re deterrent v other policy in post below you first decide to do something that works and think about whether that’s doing enough

We’ve voted the opposite direction and there’s no safe route utopia as i had said on earlier threads anyway

Choosing between calm happy citizens without suppression Aus style and this is an easy one, whether enough voters will ask for it I’ll see

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how politics and power works.
Germany wasn't plunged into a far right totalitarian state the second the nazis were voted in. It's more insidious than that. That's why people fall for it.

I genuinely think most of the kind of people PP are describing on this thread aren't 'far right'. Sure, they've bought into some of the far right talking points because they feel disenfranchised and forgotten and want someone to blame. And influential characters who could be described as far right give that to them.

The majority of these folk would be as horrified as the rest of us if a genuine far right party came to power. Maybe not right away, but eventually it will hit them. By which point it will be too late.

The answer therefore isn't just labeling them and dismissing their concerns but actually engaging with them.

Of course there are also the brainless yobs who only care about themselves and where the next pint of Stella, line of coke and fight is, but they're not far right either. They probably don't give a shit about politics of any description.

Peak whataboutery thread

As an active member for over a decade, yes, I am aware, thanks. My point was the label of “far-right” has been hurled at us repeatedly. Are you ok?

Gender ideology was spread, promoted and funded in the UK by the last Tory government.

Gender critical does not span a range of political viewpoints. It is very a very specific leftwing, feminist ideology.

Gender ideology is underpinned by the GRA 2004

Which was Labour

I find it very interesting that being GC is the only “right-wing” view during my lifetime that has been held by a group that would deceive themselves as left-wing (women who would describe themselves as feminists).

It’s a very interesting question and one that deserves to be properly debated. Unfortunately, the thread is unreadable due to the foul mouthed ranting from what is obviously one person posting under several different names. I hope it’s one person anyway, because if this is groupthink, this country is such big trouble.

If I may, I think we may all need to prepare to row back big time on Saudi attitudes towards women. My niece in law has been living there for the last two years, and laughs at the idea that women don't have opportunities. They absolutely do, but they also have to tiptoe around the conventions.

The U.K. and Aus will diverge due to policy. We’ll have more unrest and violence and they will use borders and never vote that out

They are not a far right country, they are centre left. Our inability to vote in similar policies is going to cost us hugely

Five years of this, we’ll be a mess and likely with suppression too

I disagree, I think GC span all range of political viewpoints but gender ideology is firmly left wing.

And yet, if you dissect it, gender ideology is not classically left wing at all. It's a bizarre mashup between Left wing Utopianism, Big Pharma and intense Individualism. The latter two are much more classically right wing positions.

I don't find the Right/Left terminology helpful any more. It's not reflecting the political opinions on the ground.

Believing there's only two sexes and that no one is born into the wrong body is not right wing.

No I don’t think it is either, which is why I put the phrase in quotation marks. It’s perceived as right wing though, and tends to be grouped together with other right wing beliefs such as being any immigration, anti gay etc.

The extraordinary thing about there being only two sexes is not that people perceived as 'right wing' believe it.

It's that people on the left have persuaded themselves that vague feelings trump biological reality

Dictatorships, no equal voting rights, no equal pay for same work, no freedom of religion or expression, no tolerance for different people's culture etc.

I don't see far right being race related.
Any coloured person can be far right in their beliefs.

I don't see far right being connected to low immigration either.
If the majority of people vote for low immigration (and everyone has a vote) that is not far right. People can embrace and respect lower numbers of people from other places for valid reasons like environmental sustainability etc.

You may not.
I’m perfectly a happy criticising a country that treat women like second class citizens.

You might be happy to “tiptoe around the conventions” but I am not.

Does your niece make loads of money and live in a gated community ? Doubt she's Saudi if she laughs at their gender apartheid.

Far right means

Aggression
Abuse
Intolerance
Race Superiority
Brainwashing
Generation of extreme poverty and extreme wealth
Unable to decipher or question information or facts.
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