To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

[Rainbowsponge]

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

Do you not think someone who is “on the line of being fascist” is right wing?

I think deterrents do work although it was scrapped at GE

I personally think different things work for different countries, due in part to good old fashioned Geography. As far as deterrents, I don't think the previous Governments solution ticked a lot of boxes, least of all in volume ? It seemed ludicrously expensive for something that clearly had all the hallmarks of a 'back of a fag packet' idea ? What it did have was enough smoke and mirrors to pretend to be a solution, and that is half the battle in politics isn't it ?

Right wing =/= far right. Which is the topic of the thread

I think we’re going to find national riot squads and / or public disorder, ‘elite border control’ to smash the gangs and accommodation expensive.

Aus spends a lot but no one is voting those policies out or running on doing so Labor or Liberal

It comes across as hatred to me, but self-righteous with it.

I think the far right, in every country, is typified by a militant nostalgia for a past that never existed, but in which the people yearning for it feel they'd have been more important and more powerful than they feel now.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis summing up how I feel about the modern left.

Go and have a look into how he treats women and see

To add there are a few EU countries where tinder box applies and imo this summer is where we become so too with public disorder

That effect is disruptive and expensive

I preferred his early funny stuff.

Excuse me?

Defending thugs? Where? When?

I asked you a simple question:

What do you see changing for women under Nigel Farage that would result in them experiencing the same oppression as women in Saudi?

You said it, you should at least be able to answer it.

But I believe that “stop defending thugs” is probably the best answer you have. You don’t have an answer, do you? We both know what you said was absolute nonsense.

Surely misogynistic, homophobic people
who believe their way of life is superior to all others and condemn those who disagree with them are also “right wing”?

Far left / far right are the same things. They both hate people for illogical reasons, just different sets of people.

Language has no real meaning anymore. I am called a bigot because I don’t agree with gender ideology despite being extremely liberal ally for gay people for decades. Im considered racist / xenophobic for having legitimate concerns over immigration despite being a labour voter for half my life (former) and being an advocate for EDI in the workplace including writing a thesis on cultural fluency.

The words are meaningless. You may as well call me a kangaroo. It’s completely false.

The far right in the global sense is the extreme conservative view.

The far right in localised history would suggest the nazi agenda and anyone who sympathised with it or continues to see it as the ultimate goal

And the far left typically judges humanity negatively and wants to micromanage and coerce citizens in thought and action, in private and in public, to uphold their vision of an ideal society.

Far left / far right are the same things. They both hate people for illogical reasons, just different sets of people.

Was coming on to say this. Both want to silence and destroy anyone who does not conform to their ways.

Some of the most misogynistic, homophobic people are on the left.

Again, you have no answer, do you?

I said:

I want to know what that poster thinks Tommy Robinson would or could possibly do to oppress women to the same level women are oppressed in Saudi Arabia?

You told me to go and look at how he treats women. That’s not an answer. It’s not even relevant. Bill Clinton didn’t exactly treat women well, did he, but I don’t remember American women experiencing oppression equal to women in Saudi when he was President.

I think right and left in the established sense are becoming meaningless.

I was reading about cosmic extremists today, who are leftish, almost anarchist with a healthy dose of conspiracy, but share many of the preoccupations of the EDL regarding immigration, vaccines etc

I think the biggest divide is between politicians, of all outlooks, and the people. Whether rightly or wrongly people don't think politicians listen to them and take their concerns seriously.

politicians, in return, seem to despise the people and think they don't deserve to have their concerns taken seriously - cf Emily Thornberry and her white van man tweet (sorry to single her out but it's the only example I can think of at the moment).

I don't think this is only happening in Britain, these conversations are happening all over Europe, and immigration is at the root of a lot of the unease like it or not, and the longer it's ignored the more it will fester.

A big problem is the difficulty of getting rid of foreign criminals, some are really nasty pieces or work and it's impossible to deport most of them. One or two of them are living in council housing on benefits, at the taxpayers expense! If that could be tackled first people would be more relaxed about other migrants.

No, I don't think it applies only to white people at all.

There are far right politicians in India. There are far right groups in Japan etc.

For me, the term describes people who believe that their own particular "in-group" (often but not necessarily based on ethnicity or religion etc) is superior and/or more entitled (to resources/ opportunities/ land/ sometimes even women etc) than any number of "out-groups", which are often hated and vilified because of real or perceived differences from the in-group.

It applies equally in my head to white supremacists, Islamic extremists and any number of other extremist groups that think in this way.

I'm not answering faux outraged questions. It's tedious and I see you.

If you want a conversation, read the thread and respond appropriately rather than strawmanning and projecting to ask these questions. I am very familiar with the tactics and cannot be bothered. And I don't owe you anything.

Really? Are they? Are they the ones rioting on the streets?

It is relevant. The man is a cunt.

But you carry on defending him.

No, they’re the ones letting men destroy what women have. One woman was punched so hard today she had to call it quits on something she had spent years training for. Another woman can’t play football because her kneecap was shattered by a man playing a woman’s game.

Both sides are violent and dangerous.