To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

[Rainbowsponge]

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

I thought the Japanese are incredibly anti-immigration, or maybe they aren’t considered to be ‘of colour’.

Japan is very insular. Very few western people had been there before 1853,. Resisting anything that destabilises the status quo, except technology, which has served them well for 150 years, until ordinary folk declined to breed and raise the next generation. It's push-back, and the voice of young generations refusing to do what politicians think is right because there is nothing to encourage them to do so, because the elderly are such a generational overhang. Italy, Spain, and France are on the verge of similar thinking.

The UK is much better at integrating new migration, even with the odd flare up. I know lots of people are convinced the Empire was all about rape and pillage and looting, but look around the Commonwealth countries and the legacy is legal systems built on 1000 years of the common law. India is the world's largest democracy. Not perfect anywhere, but better than the Spanish/Portuguese colonial history. To the point that Mozambique, never part of the British Empire, asked to join in the 21st century.

What are you talking about? I’ve had a few conversations with other posters. I haven’t said anything negative about anyone, all I said was about that switch up of wording and you’ve launched yourself at me. I don’t understand why at all.

Please point out where I have not been objective and nuanced whilst discussing my personal political homelessness?

There’s no need for aggression.

No, because they don't really fit with the rest of what I wrote.

Unless wee Nicola was running a few gulags in the outer Hebrides and that's where the party funds really went?

So the current government in Afganistán is centre left?

Is there a reason you are in denial that the political landscape is not like for like between two different countries?

So what terminology do you use to contrast different political systems? Or is it impossible?

Probably an MSP, aka the biggest waste of public money ever. Should replace them all with an IT programme: Cheaper and more effective.

The only thing missing from your list was the fixation with progressiveness rather than conservatism. All the other boxes were ticked.

@Daltonbear1 please don't quote me as being part of a far-right apologist explanation - I'm just coming out with some factoids because it is rather inexplicable why the long name of Hitler's Nazi party includes the word Socialist when he killed them too.

As a PP way upthread also pointed out - the far-right are very easy to find in the UK - they're so rare they are obvious. As I said most avoid them. So the far-right yobs read some shite on SM and believed it (as apparently do many others here) and went and incomprehensively rioted for completely shite reasons in a grieving neighbourhood.

Yep, get the Riot Squad in, jail the fuckers and put them back in their box. Last week some yobs decided they would riot and attack the police too (Harefields) - again about children but for completely different reasons, but my response would be the same, get the Riot Squad in, jail the....etc.

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Your posts are spot on

I imagine you think they are, because nuance and objectivity doesn’t exist to you - just fairly blind tribalism.

I reckon you could say that to every person who is far right or far left ? The majority of the population not so much, because they have other shit to be dealing with in their lives and fairly blind tribalism requires a level of commitment that they simply can't be arsed with.

How did we ‘lurch far to the right’ under the Tories?

Racism. Hating people on the basis of their skin colour/religion .
Thinking white skin is above any other colour.
Using intimidation and violence to assert their supposed superiority.

Harefields = Harehills ?

I’m struggling to grasp how offensive it is to pretend women in the uk face or are likely to face anything close to the insane oppression women face in Saudi.

I don’t know why she said that to me, I’m neither far left nor far right and I haven’t said anything of the sort. I don’t have any blind tribalism, I was discussing how I feel politically homeless. I voted Green this time for Christ’s sakes.

This thread is really bizarre.

So far right is term is reserved for only countries with majority white population and only for its male members. Not sure why Marine Le Pen is considered far right despite being a woman and Modi despite being non white.
I am not in any denial, because i am neither white, nor a man but I think your definition of far right is narrow and perhaps you are in a blind spot.

To pick up on Saudi Arabia, my nephew has been living there for the last three years, with a Burmese-Aussie wife, and their child. Both of them grew up in the UAE, and accept they live by the local Saudi rules while they earn their living in that country. There is no route to Saudi citizenship for them, so they are just doing their work, highly paid and tax free while they are useful to the country's economic development. But they understand that once they are past useful, someone else will be brought in. So the implicit deal is that I earn enough now, from the KSA, to start afresh elsewhere.

A Labour Party person came to my door and told me not vote for the conservative major candidate as she was far right Is Susan Hall far right?

How did we ‘lurch far to the right’ under the Tories?

I don't think we did ? We just had to put up with a selection of power hungry, incompetent, contrarians, for far, far too long, which thinking about it sums up Reform adequately too.

I think if you’ve actually read my posts you will see that at no point have I said any of what you’re spouting.

lol my understanding too

If you go back to my definition of "far right" you'll see several of the features.
For example, saying "people have had enough of experts" as a way to undermine logic and analysis is a far right strategy. Undermining democratic institutions by claiming there is a "deep state" plot in the civil service is a far right strategy. Othering particularly demographics and blaming them for child abuse is a far right strategy. Lying at the drop of hat to achieve your aims is a far right strategy.

All features of the last Conservative administration although not the Conservative party historically.

Boiling frogs. We swam in the hot water so long many people didn't notice what was happening.

No there will be a handful that are but it seems to be everyone is getting labeled as them and that is not fair. I have seen some horrific videos of the police walking up to people and beating them so to me going by what I have saw the police seem to be more of the violent thugs. We don't know what happens before and after pictures.