To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

[Rainbowsponge]

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

No, I obviously don’t hang out in the same online places as you 😳

Wow, why react like that? It became a news piece. I’ll try and find it. It wa a fascinating and very depressing look at the political landscape out there.

Is it interesting?
It’s a very open ended question.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

Its pretty obvious that to the vast majority of people with 2 brain cells to rub together that having any criticism of immigration policies, having “views” on new house building, voting conservative or being against the JSO protesters doesn’t make someone far right?
I’ve genuinely never seen anyone claim that it does, so I would be interested to understand why you think anyone would class those things as far right?

Oh, hey again. Back with another deflection piece are we?

Interesting but we all know that the right do that as a distance from the nazis. I went to ann Frank house in Amsterdam and it's a tactic tgeybdo. Like I would have more respect if racists actually said I am and proud but no they ring lbc abd claim not to be the far right even though they hate Johnny foreigner

In some ways, that’s easier to define.

The far left are opposed to parliamentary democracy & the free market economy. They seek to have them overthrown by a popular revolution, violent if necessary, and replaced by a single party communist state & a centrally planned economy.

Because this person isn't being genuine to many far right types pretending not yo be . Yes I also have seen disgusting rhetoric about trans people if you put jew etc in the same vain folks would be in uproar.

It means exactly the same as the far left.
Dogmatic, brainwashed people who want to enforce a regime onto us and make us all miserable. Whilst they have a great time being dictators at the top, obviously historically the far left have had greater success with this idea because they think they a re morally superior wind doing it for "everyone".

Absolutely. I’ve been called far right before just for having very valid concerns about immigration!

Net migration reached record breaking figures under 14 yrs of the Conservatives in government, so they might have sounded a lot further right than centre at times, but their track record certainly wasn't on this particular issue. Of course there are varying factors why this happened, and it wasn't people crossing the Channel in small boats, but people claiming very valid concerns never seem to pinpoint the part of the immigration figures they have an issue with ? Is it students ? , people coming from all over the world to work here ? People joining their family ? People seeking a safe refuge from war like the Ukrainians ? people seeking safe refuge from a changed political situation like Hong Kong and people who we are indebted to for their service to our troops whilst they were in Afghanistan ?

Far right means far right, it's not really that ambiguous.

What you seem to be mixed up with is authoritarianism, which can obviously be any part of the political spectrum, and is generally not cool

Where’s the deflection when it’s specifically addressing your post? Do
you understand that’s the opposite of deflecting?
Why are you assuming anyone thinks those things are far right? Where are you getting this?
It honestly comes across like you’re just typing for the sake of it. Your replies don’t follow any logic to the content, not do they follow on from your OP in the first place.

I think it is a legitimate question.

The way people talk about political wings these days, you hear:

Far left
Leftwing
Centrist
Far right.

In the old days, there used to be ‘rightwing’ people who were generally vilified as ‘Tory scum’, etc, by the left, but no more. It skips from ‘centrist’ straight to ‘far right these days.

So to be a far right individual, you need to be a white man?

Nationalism above all else and at the expense of others. A desire to silence/remove any dissenting voices. Attributing all that is wrong in their lives with group other than themselves. Isolationist unless fitting with their broader ideology. Socially conservative.

Do you think the SNP are far right?

This is a MN thread, hence open to all to engage with everyone else, preferably in good faith even when disagreeing.
And by engage I mean actually engage in the debate, as in explain - avoiding straw men and ad hominems - why you disagree (I'm going to go out on a limb here) with the OP.

Because this iteration of the tories were socially liberal. Cameron brought in gay marriage!

To be honest, I have no idea. I have no political home at all and I don’t know if such a home will be forthcoming any time soon.

I haven’t heard about their socialist roots, but I suppose it makes sense with the political situation at the time. I guess there are several cases of left wing ideals becoming right wing style dictatorships.

For a poster that claimed they wanted a political discussion, their responses and reactions are really bizarre.

And you don’t hear much from them at all.

Whereas the far-right are very vocal about getting their precious Muslim Kristallnacht and will seize any opportunity to try - like they did in Southport.

Do you understand politics or do you think this is a gotcha? The SNP is to the very left side of UK politics, see also Sinn Fein.

The far left and the far right politically have lots of crossover.

She is saying you can't directly compare Saudi politics with UK politics. But the far right politics of the likes of Tommy Robinson/Andrew Tate/Laurence Fox etc would be equally horrible for UK women if it were in charge here.

That is completely different to comparing life in the UK now. You seem to be struggling with some fairly clear language tbh.

I look at this slightly differently as I compare with Aus. It has very stringent policies that we won’t go for yet but it’s Labor centre left gov

My view is that countries that can’t do similar will increasingly struggle with unrest and possibly harsher laws, unless something else changes

I imagine you think they are, because nuance and objectivity doesn’t exist to you - just fairly blind tribalism.

No. Because "I can, yes" is not a comprehensible answer to the question "So can I infer you agree the far right are a current threat while the far left are a conceptual threat?"