A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

We know they failed the IBA eligibility test to enter women’s sport.

We know they are still boxing against women.

What else do we need to know? They aren’t eligible except on an administrative technicality. They are hitting women using the strength and speed of men.

Honestly, what else matters?

edited for IOC/IBA typo.

https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

The cynic in me says either they didn’t train hard believing they were naturally stronger, or they are their team wanted to fool women into thinking they weren’t a threat so they could enter the big stage quietly, as they have done.

Yes great… a step forward for trans people at the expense (AGAIN) of women’s rights

They have XY chromosomes. That has been confirmed. There is no such thing as “intersex”. There are males or females with DSDs. These are males. We don’t know if they have DSDs or are trans or chancers.

Careful,you'll pull it clean off if you don't leave it alone.

@NotBadConsidering Tokyo Olympic boxing was NOT run by the IOC. It was run by the IBA as amateur boxing normally is. Neither of these two individuals are permitted to box in the female category under IBA rules which operate a strict genetic test: anyone with a Y chromosome is excluded.

However the IBA and IOC had a big tiff last year over dodgy Russian money and the IOC kicked the IBA out and decided to administer the boxing directly themselves. And promptly forgot to write a DSD and trans policy. Hence the shitshow we have now.

@WetBandits how they look has nothing to do with it. Testing has shown they should not be competing in women’s boxing

I expect those poor women having to compete against them were fully aware of the situation but were unfortunately unable to get anyone to help them draw attention to it.

These men 100% know they are men. Why on earth are you making excuses for them? 🤯

My male partner, who has always never seen a problem with TWAW, has had his eyes opened today. He saw the footage on the BBC and was horrified. I think this might well wake some men up to what is going on, just a shame a woman had to get hurt for it to happen.

Of the two boxers this one is the most egregiously male looking. Every single photo I could find there was just no doubt at all. Khelif could be considered androgynous if I was feeling generous, but the Taiwanese boxer? Absolutely not & I'm surprised there's not more furore about it.

Yes. People who are qualified and people who cheat.

oh, and a convicted child rapist.

Lots of diversity.

Intersex is a misleading term and many members of the community have asked for it not to be used as it promotes misinformation and is offensive to them.

What you mean is, with a difference/variation of sexual development. Such people are all male or female, they just have a variation in their sex pathway development.

It's unfortunate if a person's male DSD means their body hasn't developed in the right way for them to reach their desired sporting heights but that is also true of excellent swimmers with small feet or fabulous basketball players who are short.

Darling, no.

Go and look at a man (any man that you know to 100% be a man!), their neck will look very different to that. The bit you have circled isn’t where the Adam’s Apple would be. Your own neck would look the same if someone took a photo of you right now at the same angle

There were no fears about legal rammifications as it literally wasn't a concern that she was biologically male despite how they looked.

She has failed an eligability test, and shouldn't be allowed to compete... but to say that before that test based purely on 'how she looks' is frankly disgusting. Plenty of brilliant athletes who maybe do not much up to some percieved ideas of 'feminine looks' - and they shouldn't be descriminated against.

Take the wonderful and beautiful Serena Williams. She's spoken about facing accusations of being born male due to her looks - should she have been banned from competing? Hell, there is even a documentary about it.

Sources:
https://www.businessinsider.com/serena-williams-responds-to-accusations-she-was-born-a-man-2018-5

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5282834/

No need to respond - I'm leaving this thread.

These are males. We don’t know if they have DSDs or are trans or chancers.

And quite honestly it doesn't matter. They are men, that is all we need to know.

There has been a great discussion of this on radio 5. Much of it is currently unproven media hype. Wait for some certainty before condemning people. If it is all media hype they will still never be free from doubt when competing. If true then it will be dealt with but death threats etc are not OK.

It doesn’t matter what they look like

Remember the man who got in to the ring with a female MMA fighter a few years ago and cracked her skull open?

Fallon Fox, who boasted about how satisfying it was to beat up women he didn't agree with afterwards on a JKR thread.

Yes but they are biologically male, they have xy chromosomes so they should not be competing against people who are biologically female, xx chromosomes. It's just plain dangerous to the other competitors as the differences in their bodies means its not an even close to fair fight and could cause serious damage or kill a female competitor.
They have been refused entry to other competitions due to having xy chromosome

There has never been any official doubt about Serena William's sex. Why on earth are you comparing her to these two cheats?

It's not unproven media hype, have you seen the IBA statement?

who wants to see a biological male in a boxing ring with a biological female?

Unfortunately, a lot of very warped men will have been watching this with glee.
A whole different type of 'entertainment' has been shown on here.
Is it me? I'm old.
Why are people pretending that they cannot see what is clearly before them?
I am looking at two men who for some reason are on the women's team