A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

Stupid question but does this man have a penis?

If it was so obvious, why did they compete at Tokoyo with literally no fuss made? Or the 2022 World Championships - again with no fuss made?

Exactly. Like you I have 3 (now adult) sons. I couldn't have physically constrained them from about 11/12 onwards. One of my son's is small in stature - he's my height and weighs less than me but a hell of a lot stronger.

Why not?
Why are most people in authority not wanting to get involved for fear of upsetting a very small group-men who think they can change into a woman- and not worried about upsetting a very large group-women.

The tail is wagging the fucking dog!

Truly, no I don’t think they look like men, just very androgynous. There aren’t any obvious Adam’s apples on the photos you’ve shown, unfortunately. That’s actually what I was hunting for when I was Googling!

It’s entirely possible that they have a DSD condition which may or may not have been apparent at birth (it isn’t always!) Without full access to their medical records, which none of us have any right to, nobody should really speculate.

It’s a bit off to declare that they are biological men who want to abuse women when nobody knows fuck all about either of them.

I’m always on the side of people living their life as they wish…as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others or harms others.

As a result I’ve come into threads to argue against offensive and hurtful transphobic language. However, allowing biological males to box biological females is completely wrong. There’s a big difference between dressing as a woman and punching one in the face. The IOC has sanctioned male violence against woman and it’s disgusting. All women boxes should refuse to compete. I know this will be hard as they have trained long and hard but they will not be safe unless competition is halted and the rules re written to ban biological males and intersex people from physical competition against women.

I'd wager Khelif wasn't that skilled a boxer. Possibly even lazy if they just didn't have to try that hard. Potentially a highly skilled female boxer could out maneuver a shit male one providing they can keep out of arms reach.

Since 2019 Khelif has started winning things & now they are at the Olympics so you might assume their skills have been tightened up.

Two female boxers have BOTH said they've never been hit 'like that' before, and these are women who get punched for fun, for sport! They are pretty damn good judges of what it feels like to get punched by another woman. I hope, for them, that they've never been punched by a man (or a DSD body that's been through male puberty but was assigned female a birth. The only time that phrase counts) so this would have been a serious shock - and it was.

Make of that what you will.

That actually doesn't matter.

Because having a penis is not the defining body part for whether a person is male or female.

Disgusting. Who the hell thinks this is right? It’s bloody criminal.

But they are biological men who want to abuse women- they are men boxing in women's classes. It's the very definition of biological men wanting to abuse women.

@Tandora why do you hate women? It’s not transphobic to say biological males shouldn’t compete in female sports. Women with PCOS are of course still women. Biological males born with differences in sexual development are still men. It’s so simple and it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise

Remember the man who got in to the ring with a female MMA fighter a few years ago and cracked her skull open? It was like watching someone throwing a rag doll around. Either that will happen again this time or it will be a fixed competition to try and convince the dull minded that there really is no difference between men and women.

it was more a question about some PPs comments that seem to indicate he didn’t know he was male up to the DNA test. Obviously once he knew he was male he shouldn’t have been in the women’s boxing- it was a matter of interest whether he always knew he was a man.

There are loads of potential reasons for this. Tokyo Olympic boxing was also run by the IOC who don’t want to test people. There could have been suspicions but no progress on figuring out how to broach the idea of testing. There could have been fears about legal ramifications. The Semenya case cost a lot of money through the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Then you add ambivalence about women’s concerns, sexism, misogyny etc etc.

Exactly… as I said above I think all the female boxers should stand in the ring together live on TV & say they refuse to fight opponents who have the physical advantage of testosterone .. be that
from being a biological male or injecting it… The male boxers should also stand beside the women and back them for the sake of the sports future!

But we do know something very important-they want to get into a ring and punch a woman. Do you need to know anything else.

Believe me, if those medical records said they were 100% female, as female as the Queen Mother, then you would be seeing those records-make no mistake,

Aaaaah slowly slowly the KIND women are waking up to the fruits of their kindnesses. These arent claiming TRANS , but cheats nonetheless. This is the kind if story that has to happen with a woman being beaten for sport by a man, this is what it takes for most women to wake up! but i fear the country is so entrenched it eill be a long way back to sanity, i was optimistic when CASS report cane out but look how the ideologs influence the BMA!

There's also the fact that people DID talk about it at the time and were told to shut up and know their place etc. See also Laurel Hubbard.

I was being sarcastic

You’re revolting

Good for you,I hope the lads appreciate your efforts.

Don't give him what he wants.

Where is your proof that they are biological men? How do you know that they are not intersex? Would you say that an intersex person who outwardly presented and identified as male but had some XX chromosomes amongst some XY chromosomes was biologically female?

You can’t see the Adam’s apple on those photos? Are you serious?! Here, let me help you: