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A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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ilovemoney · 01/08/2024 10:28

Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting

Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics

Two athletes are cleared to compete at the women's boxing at the Paris Olympics, having been disqualified from last year's World Championships for failing to meet eligibility criteria.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c4ngr93d9pgo

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HermioneWeasley · 01/08/2024 14:13

TheCosyNavyViper · 01/08/2024 14:07

Well thanks for that.

I am a woman. And no, not a trans woman, a real one, born and lived that way my whole life. But I can see if you're throwing that at me you're not going to listen.

And FYI, I have had all of those experiences, and worse, and as I have said already, I do carry around that fear of male violence with me everywhere I go.

It's actually something very important to me. I lost count MANY years ago of the number of times I've aged exactly that, to men who won't listen.

But using that line still doesn't mean that a featherweight trans woman is particularly more dangerous than an elite middleweight woman. It just doesn't.

Firstly, by the rules of your ideology is is very transphobic to say that trans women aren’t “real women”.

and yes, a featherweight man is still likely to be stronger than a middleweight woman. You are either delusional or a shill for the patriarchy. Either way your ill informed nonsense can be safely ignored

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 01/08/2024 14:13

Ah, Cosy. Do you really think if you ended up in a scrap with a man of similar weight and height to you, similar training background, it would be fair and fine?

DH and I both have no training. He’s a fair bit lighter than me, but an inch taller. Could he do me serious damage? Of course.

I really don’t understand why you are holding a nonsensical position.

Rummly · 01/08/2024 14:13

This is a bigger fucking scandal than all the drugs and cheating ever done, and that will ever be done, in the Olympics. And I include the marathon runner who got a lift in a car.

Absolutely shameful and, IMO, the final nail in the coffin for Olympic credibility.

Any more of this and we may well need a non-metaphorical coffin for a woman boxer.

Apolloneuro · 01/08/2024 14:13

SammyScrounge · 01/08/2024 13:46

They have failed more than women.
They have failed sport by turning the Olympics into a farce because if the Olympics are not about fairness and a level playing field then they are nothing , they are a travesty.

I completely agree. I’ve been really enjoying watching it, but I don’t think I can anymore.

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 14:13

Tandora · 01/08/2024 14:05

Are you going to allow this @ mumsnet HQ ?I presume so…

I would hope so. There's nothing dignified about male violence against women.

YabaJaba · 01/08/2024 14:13

It seems the Olympic committee have added another sport.
Male violence against women.

Fetlocksblowininthewind · 01/08/2024 14:14

TheCosyNavyViper · 01/08/2024 13:44

I may well be ignorant, but I find it hard to believe that elite levels boxers are afraid of getting punched.

I would have thought that the vast majority of boxers, of whatever gender, get hurt when they are starting out. I would have though that being able to continue to fight with a load of injuries is an essential skill for a successful boxer...

Fair enough, the ones that get to the olympics will obviously win more than most. But at the cost of their opponents.

To be clear, I find boxing in general to be disgusting. It's by definition violent, and inherently dangerous.

But to pick on these individual fights, while being apparently unconcerned about the others, just seems unreasonable.

Aye you stick those fingers firmly in your ears and shut your eyes to the evidence, that'll help!

You keep repeating yourself, we get it.

Maybe go read the links kindly given to you and then go take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

You are an apologist for male violence in this thread.

Apolloneuro · 01/08/2024 14:14

YabaJaba · 01/08/2024 14:13

It seems the Olympic committee have added another sport.
Male violence against women.

And we all know who’s gonna win.

carrotsfortabbits · 01/08/2024 14:14

Tandora · 01/08/2024 14:00

Thank you but I’ll stay right here , on mumsnet, and continue to defend the rights and dignity of trans , sex variant and gender non conforming individuals , no matter how much vitriol you throw at me, because Lord only knows it is desperately needed.

I'm gender non-conforming, I didn't know I had the extra right of beating up people weaker than me. i didn't know my dignity was at stake if I didn't do this.

Stop talking (with your) bollocks

MrTiddlesTheCat · 01/08/2024 14:14

I see the UN Special Rapporteur on VAWGs is now calling this out as unacceptable violence against a woman.

meandkarmavibe · 01/08/2024 14:15

I've always been slightly wary of the TERF mob but this is an outrage and hopefully will mark a turning point in biological males being banned from women's sport.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 01/08/2024 14:15

As for inflammatory language, what is the correct way to call out a man beating up a woman on tv, under the guise of sport?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2024 14:15

But using that line still doesn't mean that a featherweight trans woman is particularly more dangerous than an elite middleweight woman. It just doesn't.

One is a man, and one is a woman. With the same level of "eliteness", yes it absolutely does. Women aren't smaller men.

iamtheblcksheep · 01/08/2024 14:16

The only way for this man woman to be removed is for every single woman to refuse to fight him, sorry her ever.

How can you fail a chromosome test and still be able to compete as the sex you aren’t

LarkLane · 01/08/2024 14:16

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 14:07

OK, because you can't understand I will try and spell it out clearer. And I did clarify this.

The Southport thugs all rocked up with their cider and special brew because of inflammatory language on the internet. I find some of the language used in here to be just as inflammatory as that.

They weren't Southport Thugs though were they?
They were Thugs who travelled to Southport for a ruck.

If you think language is so important, then perhaps give a bit of thought for the good people of Southport and don't refer to us as Thugs. We are the ones clearing all the shit up left by those barm pots from out of town. Less of the inflammatory language. Thanks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2024 14:16

MrTiddlesTheCat · 01/08/2024 14:14

I see the UN Special Rapporteur on VAWGs is now calling this out as unacceptable violence against a woman.

She's right, well done to her.

GinAndBeerIt · 01/08/2024 14:16

I'll say this....if my son's raised a hand to a woman, I would be disgusted and disappointed in equal measures, and by god, they'd know about it from their father.
Regardless of what they identify as or the circumstances.
Yet here we are with people actually cheering on just that, actually defending a man hitting a woman. It's sickening.

NotBadConsidering · 01/08/2024 14:16

vivainsomnia · 01/08/2024 14:11

Googling just reveals the same speculation as to whether they’re DSD or not. You seen certain though. Why? What’s your proof?
Well it's what the newspapers are reporting so I don't know why it's any more speculation than everything being reported that's taken at face value.

We have proof they’re male, based on
a) the IBA statement that makes it clear their chromosomes are XY and
b) looking at them.

Everything else is speculation. We don’t know if they are trans or DSD.

Yet remarkably we are being scolded for objecting to their presence in women’s sport for both reasons simultaneously.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 01/08/2024 14:17

meandkarmavibe · 01/08/2024 14:15

I've always been slightly wary of the TERF mob but this is an outrage and hopefully will mark a turning point in biological males being banned from women's sport.

I think you’ll find the terf mob are pretty sensible, just living a state of long term outrage!

Coconutter24 · 01/08/2024 14:17

“They are both biological males”

Forgive me for sounding dumb but if they are both biologically males what is the issue? And if they are both biological males why are they in a woman’s category?

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 01/08/2024 14:18

meandkarmavibe · 01/08/2024 14:15

I've always been slightly wary of the TERF mob but this is an outrage and hopefully will mark a turning point in biological males being banned from women's sport.

Do you also use the name Karen as an insult? Both are awful misogynistic terms.

If by 'mob' you mean women with opinions that don't prioritise male feelings over reality? Well, I got news for you...

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 14:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2024 14:15

But using that line still doesn't mean that a featherweight trans woman is particularly more dangerous than an elite middleweight woman. It just doesn't.

One is a man, and one is a woman. With the same level of "eliteness", yes it absolutely does. Women aren't smaller men.

I still find it shocking how little understanding some people have about the physiological differences between men and women. Not even just men and women - it's also pretty much any boy from puberty onwards.

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 14:19

LarkLane · 01/08/2024 14:16

They weren't Southport Thugs though were they?
They were Thugs who travelled to Southport for a ruck.

If you think language is so important, then perhaps give a bit of thought for the good people of Southport and don't refer to us as Thugs. We are the ones clearing all the shit up left by those barm pots from out of town. Less of the inflammatory language. Thanks.

Edited

Sorry - I did mean to say that thugs bussed into Southport. Multi tasking and I do apologise, as I know very few were actually from Southport.

BUT, it was caused by language used on social media

Gymnopedie · 01/08/2024 14:19

I am a woman. And no, not a trans woman, a real one, born and lived that way my whole life. But I can see if you're throwing that at me you're not going to listen.

You do realise that that statement is in itself transphobic. You're making a distinction between real women and transwomen. Transphobia is apparently anything other than accepting that transwomen arer women. And no I'm not being sarcastic with that last comment. That is the belief and ideology of many in the trans community.

Devonbabs · 01/08/2024 14:19

Tandora · 01/08/2024 14:00

Thank you but I’ll stay right here , on mumsnet, and continue to defend the rights and dignity of trans , sex variant and gender non conforming individuals , no matter how much vitriol you throw at me, because Lord only knows it is desperately needed.

You aren’t defending anyone but men. Stay here by all means, it’s a free world (at least for the moment) but people will keep telling you you are wrong. Why do you insist on defending a man beating up a woman? The vast vast majority of women think this is abhorrent. Why do you think it’s ok?

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