A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

Yes, exactly, as I said you might think they are stronger or faster than other people in the same weight category. But the strength advantage for example is relatively marginal compared to the higher weight categories.

So why is it reasonable to be scared for their opponents, but not the women in heavy categories?

boxing is done by weight category, so these two must weigh very similar to their competitors. Imane Khelif is light welterweight and Lin Yu-ting featherweight

Maybe it would be useful to consult some information about body composition, the different physiology and anatomy of even muscle fibres, never mind cardiac and pulmonary capacity etc. before drawing conclusions about comparisons that may seem plausible to you but might not, after further investigation.

They can still achieve their dream. Fighting against a biological male, which is what they are.

I feel more sympathy for Angela Carini.

An XY person with a DSD has no
womb and has never had a period. Claiming someone could make it to adulthood and elite sports without knowing there was something different about them is total nonsense.

failed gender test but allowe to figt-why?

Do post the evidence then.

True. Probably sat there touching themselves during the fight.

@Apolloneuro this, 💯

Both biological MALES while one is claiming to be female? So how come they're both allowed in? I'm all for mixed gender equality in matches, be it boxing, wrestling, martial arts etc. WWE do excellent biological men vs. biological women wrestling matches but this boxing match doesn't make sense!

Yes, it's not about "weight".

Because men get to do what they want and women have to put up with it.

I see your point but it is not the responsibility of these women to refuse to participate, once again women being expected to change is called upon. It is up to officials to see sense and not allow these men to take part. If the expectation is that how women respond is the default then this is dangerous, it feeds the narrative that women should always be the ones to adjust their behaviour. Women should participate in women’s boxing, they have every right to. Men should change their behaviour and stop pretending to be women.

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition

What utter bollocks! Literally! Depending on their DSD, they might have appeared female at first but at puberty it would have become apparent there was an issue. Tests would then have been done and a diagnosis made. People scout for men with DSDs precisely for this reason. Not only that, they failed a sex test.

Just because a loophole/mistake exists that allows them into female boxing, doesn’t mean they should take advantage of it. If they do, they’re cheats.

As a comparison, imagine a local primary school sports day having an Under 5s race, but they’ve made a typo and called it an Under 50s race. Yes, of course, technically I could enter but I’d be a bloody mean-spirited cheat to do so. Now imagine that - but with boxing.

Belief isn't reality.

It doesn't matter if they win or not. Why should this matter? It is meaningless when it has to be considered whether a competitor is safe or whether they have a physical advantage.

FFS.

Just because they may not win, just because they are in reality a mediocre male competitor, doesn't mean that they should ever have been included in the protected female category!

If I was a 25 year old and competed in the Over 85 year old category at a Masters event but lost, would that have been acceptable? If it was a contact sport, would it be allowed because 'I wouldn't win'? Fuck no!

So why are you trying this falsehood in this situation?

I'm not saying they should be able to compete. I'm saying it's not reasonable to be scared for their opponents.

I was thinking that! We're all still waiting for @teacher45646 to return with evidence of a womb. Both posters have zero credibility as it is, especially @JusteanBiscuits blowing a fuse & trying to derail this thread.

😂😂😂

"I'm so innocent, you must be feeling guilty"

Oh grow up.

I feel very very sorry for Angela Carini. Imagine having trained so hard for this to happen?
Things must obviously be difficult for those with DSDs but my feeling is that if someone goes through make puberty they should be treated as male for sporting purposes.
Just having lunch with DD, 10 and DS2, 13.
Showed them the photos and they are genuinely upset. Tellingly, DS2 has asked why they can't fight in an open category!

Inclusive innit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cw0yvln9z00o

So confused - it should just say trans athlete ruins chances of female in the women's boxing.

Edited: OK so now I'm even more confused having read the linked articles. DSD is obviously really complex but surely there should be an open category for DSD and trans athletes?

I don't understand, could you clarify? I thought these events were separated by gender for a reason?

I didn't say they should be able to compete. I am saying it is not reasonable to be scared for their opponents.

Caster has XY chromosomes and testes. Caster does not have a uterus or fallopian tubes. Caster’s testes produce natural testosterone levels in the typical male range. If it walks like a duck ….

I've just cried for Angela then had a row with my fuckwit husband who was bleating on about 'But the women knew the rules, they chose to fight.' He's autistic and at this particular moment I hate him only slightly less than the cheating bastard who broke a woman's nose.

Algeria, that well known beacon of women's rights.

It is time for MEN to take on some of this fight. Where are the good men?