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A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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ilovemoney · 01/08/2024 10:28

Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting

Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics

Two athletes are cleared to compete at the women's boxing at the Paris Olympics, having been disqualified from last year's World Championships for failing to meet eligibility criteria.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c4ngr93d9pgo

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Breadcat24 · 01/08/2024 12:52

@JusteanBiscuits
Shame on you for that comment about Southport
No one is asking for "retribution" we are sympathising with a woman put in an untenable situation

DrCoconut · 01/08/2024 12:52

@treo exactly. My DS is 13 so not even fully grown but puberty has meant he is stacking on muscle. He could already outrun/lift/punch a girl of his age so by adulthood the difference will be even greater.

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 12:52

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

Oh yes we are disgusting because we are outraged that a woman has had her nose broken in an Olympic boxing match by a male.
Please raise yourself @JusteanBiscuits@JusteanBiscuits
Also on a side note how dispicible of your to bring Southport into this discussion. The left know no level of low. Behave.

TheKeatingFive · 01/08/2024 12:52

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:46

Personally I think anyone beating up someone else in the name of sport is pretty pathetic

And here you are, shilling for the men. You're an absolute disgrace.

Naunet · 01/08/2024 12:53

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

Evidence please that they grew up believing they’re female.

stopthepigeonstopthepigeon · 01/08/2024 12:53

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 01/08/2024 12:34

The commentator ignored the way she pulled hat hand away from the referee, her shouting it’s not fair in Italian to her corner, her refusal to congratulate her combatant and the way she fell to her knees sobbing and how the other boxer pursued her round the ring to pat her on the back in consolation

The way things are with the IOC's media rules, I'm surprised that the commentator abstained from calling AC a bad sport | sore loser etc.. That's effectively what's happened in other sports when women have refused to continue or participate.

Daily Mail photographs of the 'contest'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13697397/Boxer-Imane-Khelif-cleared-compete-Olympics-despite-deemed-biologically-male-leaves-Italian-opponent-tears-fight-abandoned.html

Archived against it being taken down in compliance with IOC media.

https://archive.is/kVnnq

i have no words. Why is this allowed???

TheKeatingFive · 01/08/2024 12:53

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 12:52

Oh yes we are disgusting because we are outraged that a woman has had her nose broken in an Olympic boxing match by a male.
Please raise yourself @JusteanBiscuits@JusteanBiscuits
Also on a side note how dispicible of your to bring Southport into this discussion. The left know no level of low. Behave.

The misogyny of this ouster is just off the scale. Disgusting.

Sidebeforeself · 01/08/2024 12:53

I cannot believe the world our daughters are being born into.

Helleofabore · 01/08/2024 12:55

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

Fuck that is an outstanding post to read.

Posters using clear language around the sex category that an athlete should compete in is now being compared to mobs in Southport.

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 12:55

Naunet · 01/08/2024 12:50

Come on @teacher45646 we’re all awaiting your ground breaking evidence of a womb. Surely you weren’t just making shit up to suit your agenda, which seems to be defending male violence against women?

There will be no evidence. This lot come on daily making sweeping, factual statements. When asked for evidence they vanish & pop up spouting shit on another page!
Come on @teacher45646 surely a quick Google would have got the evidence to stand by your statement.

WickedSerious · 01/08/2024 12:56

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

I don't think many of those idiots in Southport were shouting about chromosomes.

Maelil01 · 01/08/2024 12:56

Flowergardenthrowaway · 01/08/2024 12:02

There is no concrete evidence that they are men though. Throughout their careers they have both performed as women causing no upset until a few years ago when a random journalist stated they had xx chromosome but there has never been any proof of this. Also the governing body who originally disqualified them from competing in India is notoriously corrupt.
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0731/1462837-explained-the-gender-controversy-miring-womens-olympic-boxing/

They have XY chromosomes
Male

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:57

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 12:52

Oh yes we are disgusting because we are outraged that a woman has had her nose broken in an Olympic boxing match by a male.
Please raise yourself @JusteanBiscuits@JusteanBiscuits
Also on a side note how dispicible of your to bring Southport into this discussion. The left know no level of low. Behave.

It is quite clear I am talking about the thugs who were egged on on social media to go and cause violence. And that is what is happening here. A bunch of people on in the internet using inflammatory language about them being cheats etc etc.

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 01/08/2024 12:57

GinAndBeerIt · 01/08/2024 10:35

I don't understand why the woman is even entering into the competition with him.
If the biological women all said no, we're not playing with a man on the team, or against a man then the officials would have to ban men.
While ever the biological women allow it, then it will continue unfortunately.
The real question for me is....what sort of bloke would hit a woman, sport or not, gender change or not.

Edited

I appreciate your thinking but this is basically victim blaming. Why should a woman miss out on competing in something she’s trained at least 4 years for because of a bloody man?

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 12:57

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:24

But 'assigned female at birth'.

They are not cheats. They are also people who have spent a large proportion of their lives leading to the olympics and have been found to have a medical condition. This is not simple black and white and as I said, the language used toward them in this thread is appalling.

No they were male at birth. They're transwomen - transwomen are men who've decided they're women. They're cheats.

NotBadConsidering · 01/08/2024 12:57

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

No evidence they grew up believing they’re female.

Ridiculous to suggest that only sport found their maleness. So they’ve never wondered why they’ve never had a period until the IBA tested their chromosomes?

As for your last paragraph. Absolutely disgusting to compare people outraged at a man beating up a woman to that event. You should be ashamed.

MinnieCauldwell · 01/08/2024 12:57

DSD is more common in some countries, I think in UK it is spotted early so the sex of the child is clear from early on.
There are certain peopl scouting these countries for DSD males to compete.

There will be several on the track next week ....

RogerApGwilliam · 01/08/2024 12:57

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

Your gaslighting and bullshitting are disgusting.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 01/08/2024 12:57

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

You are wrong. The 2 fighters have both gone through male puberty. So irrespective of them doing an elite sport they will have already known because puberty is different in males and females.

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 12:58

Helleofabore · 01/08/2024 12:55

Fuck that is an outstanding post to read.

Posters using clear language around the sex category that an athlete should compete in is now being compared to mobs in Southport.

Typical behaviour. When opinions are debated they don't agree with they metaphorically blow a fuse. What a low, ignorant comment. @JusteanBiscuits educate & raise yourself.

ilovemoney · 01/08/2024 12:58

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

How do you know they grew up thinking they were female? how do you know they have a medical condition? how do you know what the gender test was. I suspect it was visual and that they saw they had male genitals.

Lia Thomas and Laurel Hubbard didn't hide the fact they were biologically male why should these two?

I suspect tis is the new way for some countries to win medals to get around drug testing. No need to take performance enhancing drugs just pretend to be a man and compete with women then you'll be a clean athlete, just one who wins all the time.

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Naunet · 01/08/2024 12:58

JusteanBiscuits · 01/08/2024 12:49

Just sit back and look at the language you are all using about two people who have grown up believing they are female.

If they hadn't taken part in high level professional sports they may have never known about their medical condition.

But you are all name calling. Yes, your behaviour is disgusting. Nothing more than an angry mob screaming for retribution - just like the mobs in Southport this week

Women complaining of sanctioned male violence are just like violent males?

That’s the most dick pandering load of bollocks I’ve ever read on here.

EmpressOfTheThread · 01/08/2024 12:58

Unbelievable, isn't it, @Helleofabore ?
It seems that defending women's rights in a discussion makes us equivalent to a right wing violent mob. 🙄

Waitwhat23 · 01/08/2024 12:58

TinkerTiger · 01/08/2024 12:51

Yes they are, just like corporations are bad to underpay their workers. But then these workers strike, because no one else is going to fight for them.

We shouldn’t have to fight for things, but the world isn’t going to change. People will always take advantage where they can for their own personal gain. So we can take it or we can fight it.

Women and girls who try to stand up against this are punished severely. Riley Gaines, April Hutchison and Deta Hedman are just some of the women who have been given bans and/or faced heavy retribution from their sporting bodies.

It starts early in girls' sporting careers too. A School in Vermont whose girl's basketball team refused to play against a team fielding a male not only were banned from future state sports but so was every other sports team at that school, as well as some non academic groups. Girls taking part in a shot putt competition in Virginia who stepped away from competing against a male were banned from all future competitions.

GreenIvyy · 01/08/2024 12:58

Ill start this with- i have a family member who is trans who i love dearly.

This boxing match is so wrong on all levels! I urge all participants to not enter any races/matches against trans people. They need their own categories imo.

who wants to see a biological male in a boxing ring with a biological female? They cannot compete in the same competition.

i feel sad for biological women 😫

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