A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

This is horrifying, amd like most I'm devasted for Angela. Coincidence that the IOC's stance is that it's for the governing bodies of the sports to make their own decisions on the participation or not of men competing against women, but when the IBA disqualifies these two the IOC promptly discredit it?

However IF there is anything to be gained by this, it is just how much it's brought the issue into the public's awareness. The piece from Australian Sky and others have been unequivocal. No pussyfooting around language or feelings.

Lia Thomas competing in the swimming made headlines but while that was clearly unfair no-one got hurt. Boxing takes the issue to a whole new level and must surely prompt an even wider debate.

It's headline news on the DM. It's won't be there for long because interest rates have just gone down, but the fact it's being reported is good news.

Just not to women.

Good question. In most other sports that require strength and speed (I don't know any that haven't) there are now female and male/open categories from grassroots upwards.

You can only compete as female if born as female sex.

This is the most dangerous sport not to have adopted this imo. What's their rationale for not?

You only need to watch the careful wording from the ioc talking about having an f in their passport. They know these are biological men, they are careful to never say that biologically they are women just legally.

@teacher45646 it's very simple, a woman is a biologically born female. You are welcome!

Boxing should be banned full stop. Horrible sport.

i hope they are supported by our own equivalent authorities. This is disgusting

behold a man is here to mansplain to women about male violence at the moment a woman has had her nose broken and her chance of a medal taken in front of the world. read the room

There a chance she might never get to do anything again. Absolutely ridiculous.

What is the point of having separate male and female events if you aren’t going to stick to biological sex

Might as well put heavy weight boxer who identifies as a lightweight in the ring with the lightweights

If you are going to ignore biological sex then why not ignore weight as well.

Remember these 2 males took the place of 2 females who will never get a chance to compete because these men realised that they werent very good at boxing against their own sex but saying they are female and taking a few drugs to alter their body to get to compete in the opposite sex events meant they had an easy way in and denying their rights to do what they wanted would be considered a hate crime.

If the Olympic committee is going to allow drugs so that men can pretend to be women and get onto the women’s team and make their events easier for them to win then surely the door is now open to appeal against any drugs ban in the past or future because taking drugs to enhance your chance of winning is no different than what is being allowed here

Oh god I made the mistake of going on twitter and replying to some cunt who thinks the bloke is legendary and "her" opponent is cowardly for giving up and falling to her knees. I can't help myself sometimes but this has fucking angered me and although I know it's probably better to not engage with twats on twitter I haven't got anything else to do right now so looks like I have involved myself in a spat 😂 fucking legendary pfttt I'm sick of this shit

Brava.

Very well said.

The Daily Mail are good at reporting all things gender related.

But that's the "interesting" thing isn't it?

Trans identified males (transwomen) don't actually have to give up anything! They can still compete!

Nothing, absolutely nothing is stopping them from competing in the male categories of whichever sport they do.

It seems that quite often these men are proved to be mediocre in their biological category. That doesn't mean they aren't amazing athletes, I mean you'd have to be to get to such high levels of competition, it just means they don't win podium places.

Remember the swimming event that was set up specifically for trans identified competitors? No one entered! Not one trans identified male wanted to compete in that event at all.

They want to compete against women, knowing they have a clear biological advantage. They want to go where the women are. They know if they compete in a trans specific event that they will have few (if any) biological women (transmen) to compete against and it will by and large be a male vs male event.

Simply put they are bloody unabashed cheaters who have found the path of least resistance to medals, sponsorship, etc etc etc.

The knock on effect of this ideology in women's sport down to grassroots level is huge.

Women deserve their own fair competitions. They deserve to get a chance to go on to compete at higher levels, and they deserve the sponsorships that will - in this brave new era \s - now inevitably go to the trans identify men who compete against, and trounce them because of their male biological advantages instead.

Any trans identified male who competes in women's categories is a cheat. Plain and simple.

I will now await the deletion of this post for "hurty words"

FWIW I'm not having a go at you at all! I'm just enraged that this is where we are for women in general.

Men (fighting in the male category) aren't wearing head guards at these games. But the ones wrongly fighting in the women's category will be.

I suggest you read the update note on the article before you post it as if it proves there’s no evidence.

Update: In the hours after this article was first published, the International Boxing Association (IBA) circulated a new public statement to international media. In it, the IBA says the disqualifications of the boxers were based on "recognised testing."
The statement says: "the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."
It said the decisions were ratified by the IBA Board of Directors.

It's absolutely disgusting that this happens and my heart goes out to these poor women who have trained for years to compete at the highest level. It just goes to show though how much this nonsense has become ingrained in the modus operandi of official bodies and how afraid people are to speak out against it. We should all be very concerned that obvious truths can no longer be spoken freely.

All nice and well to call it ‘victim blaming’. But it’s not affecting anyone else but the women competing, so they are the ones who should take a stand. Be the change you want to see, etc.

Honestly sick of the narrative that women are poor maidens with no ability for critical thinking and choice.

I'm looking at them,they're men.

This is so sad…

I have to hand it to the Righteous poster, desperately urging everyone to look at squirrels, instead of a woman getting her nose broken by a man with the blessing of the IOC.

Because they are restricted on what they report but it really isn't that hard to figure it out.

DM still called this man "she" however.

How have 7% said YABU.

It has been proven time and time again in so many sports that the physicality of even much less able men in technical terms still will beat women. Its unacceptable in the majority of sport but in boxing is extremely dangerous. I lift weights and have trained for a while, my teenage son who is unfit and overweight can lift way more than me. Its just biology. Serena Williams has spoken about this in the past, you only have to watch the mens/womens Hundred matches an also there have been several occasions where international women's football teams have been absolutely smashed by boys academy teams.

I just don't see why it is ever ok. I understand that it is difficult for transgender athletes but I would say there are many people who are unable to compete at a high level of sport even though they would love to, that's just life unfortunately.

That isn't remotely what I was implying though was it?