Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

[Bex5490]

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy.

Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs?

The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police.

I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

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And can I say to the Reform rent a mob crowd ( makes a change from Tory's I know) - not everyone on here is a radical lefty- many are in the centre or centre left - some are indeed Tory's- but very few genuine mumsnetters are ever going to agree with mayhem and violence on the street and towards police 'regardless' of reasons or causes ( although I personally will make an exception if Farage gets anywhere near government) - lots of us were extraordinarily pissed off at Brexit- businesses lost, business funding lost, companies Moving out UK , family relationships damaged- did you see gangs of Remain voters out there draped in EU flags with crates of beer ( or bottles of wine) chucking bricks at police, fighting etc, - nope- we had to suck it up , campaign and moan on Twitter. Reform got 14% of the vote and 5 MPs and 86% did not vote that way -so I suggest Reform take a dose of their own medicine, respect democracy, let the gvt get on with governing, learn to suck it up, campaign maybe for PR and continue to be abusive on Twitter if they must -

Crikeyalmighty
These people don't riot at murders involving white murderers -plenty to pick from - the simple fact is most of these are Reform voters who got 14% of the vote

According to a recent report in the Guardian it's thought that only 52% of the British adult population voted in the recent general election. I'm not sure it's a 'simple fact' that hooligans, rioters and disaffected youths are the people most likely to vote in a general election. Perhaps 'Reform voters' are more likely to be found watching TV quietly at home?

@Clavinova indeed many will- this is a particular subsection in this instance. But that's not what Farage is doing videos about is it with his menacing 'calls to action' - he is appealing to his yobbo section of the party.- not telling them to switch to Bargain hunt.

I don't by the way agree with the actions of just stop oil bunch either-my disgust is on both sides of political spectrum

The gvt already have quite an eco slant as it is- so I have no idea what they hope to gain.

TooBigForMyBoots
Just as its known that Russia funded a lot of the Leave propaganda during the Brexit referendum.

Carole Cadwalladr ordered to pay £1.2m costs in Arron Banks libel trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65644475

Crikeyalmighty
indeed many will

What percentage of the rioters voted in the recent general election? You said you had facts.

Isn’t this just old white nationalism? Not more complex than that. It’s all about race. End. I doubt everyone who voted Reform is up for that, but there are a percentage, mostly wearing “Nigel for PM” t shirts during riots in Whitehall. I’ve not seen a single mainstream political party do anything except condemn this violence for what it is; but you’d expect them to, because they are democrats. Making your point by violence means you aren’t

Farage is a disgrace. He’s doing nothing less than, in his slippery, snake oil salesman way, inciting rioting.

Crikeyalmighty
If he's not British then neither is Sunak, Patel, Braverman etc.

British citizenship is not automatic - it depends on his parents' immigration status at the time of his birth and/or meeting other criteria after birth.

I’d appreciate it if you didn’t misrepresent what I said, thank you. At no point did I dismiss the poster’s experience as “just a man thing” or attempt any ‘gaslighting’. I pointed out, as did others, that the abuse faced by women comes from all sections of society and is not limited to any particular ethnicity.
I’ll be generous and assume you merely misread my posts rather than deliberately made me out to be brushing off a woman’s account of the horrendous abuse she has faced.

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What does worry me - people are saying that they thought this person was a Muslim and an immigrant / refugee. So that gave them carte blanche to try and burn down a mosque and attack people who "looked Muslim".

No it doesn't give you that right to do what they did. It did not give people that right at all - even though he was born in Wales and may not be Muslim.

Even if he was a Muslim and an immigrant (which he wasn't). that does not give people the right to do what they did.

I have Muslim colleagues. Born here. They grew up here. I fear for their safety at the moment with the attitudes of some members of our population.

And they do NOT need to apologise to people on behalf of people who carry out atrocities in the name of Islam.

Well it could be that he presents himself as the cure! That is probably the next stage. But I think more likely that Reform will drop in the polls (which has happened already). People want peaceful lives, mostly. You have to be quite odd to want otherwise

I’m almost glad that they have shown themselves for what they are.

Some of their arguments might almost begin to sound reasonable until you see them in person attacking someone in the street just for being brown and then you remember that they are just plain old racist thugs.

You would think that someone might possibly advise them that bringing a 6 pack of Stella to a vigil might not warm people to your cause. Or vandalising the homes of the very people you’re pretending your ‘protests’ are there to protect.

It really is stupidity on a different level.

Agreed. When an attacker happens to be a Muslim, there is no end of "what are the Muslims doing about it, they must have known. Why haven't the Muslim Council issued an apology?" and so on. I've yet to hear cries of "what are Christians doing about it, they must have known. Why hasn't the king, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the head of the Catholic church in England issued an apology?". It's very telling that one faith is expected to accept responsibility for all attacks done by someone who happens to follow that religion but other faiths are not.

@Clavinova yes I know that - but I'm not talking about citizenship for the purposes of whether or not we would consider someone British in general life- if they were born here , lived here all their life - then whether they got citizenship further down the line is more of a legality- you know as well as I do that those shouting loudest were very much saying the guy was a Muslim immigrant fresh off the boats etc .not remotely the case- his family are Christian church goers- whether he was mentally ill ( and it sounds like it) or radicalised or 'just a wrong un' - who knows. The fact is clearly the family were integrated into British life- previous neighbours verified that already.

@Bex5490 well they've certainly lost my FIL at 85 and yes he does think Farage is 'inciting' for political purpose.

I can't say I've noticed that - although obviously there are going to be more questions asked if someone has been radicalised by an imam at a UK mosque -which has happened in some instances.

We are almost always expected to apologise for the actions of violent thugs or terrorists if they're even thought to have a connection to Islam (which can be as simple as having an Arabic sounding name).

That's been expected of us for several decades now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl4y0453nv5o

Thank you @scirocco That's a very helpful piece of info.

Exactly, it's white nationalism- just as simple as that, there's no need for all this "they're doing it because the economy is crap" malarky.

It's white nationalism, mixed in with the same motivations/individuals of football hooliganism- attacking a supposed enemy group and wanting to have a ruck with the Police and football violence has existed even when the economy's been booming.

There was even a racially motivated violent attack livestreamed on tiktok

The difference between the Harehills riot and this is that was essentially a spontaneous all-out tantrum with no target whereas the southport riots and elsewhere where induced by deliberate disinformation from an enemy state and organised by what will soon become a proscribed extremist organisation (Patriotic Alternative)

Quite, @Wetherspoons

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2022/03/17/tommy-robinson-putins-useful-idiot/

Interesting information on the man stirring up hate this week from outside the country.