Page 23 | Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

Bex5490 · 2024-07-30T21:18:02+00:00

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy. Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs? The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police. I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:33

Looking again. There is something quite badly wrong either your maths workings outs...

Fluufer · 31/07/2024 16:34

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:31

Unverified info below, because that person may have lied to me. But I know someone from around there and she said her and her husband were approached by police officer asking to not spread, saying that public is being “manipulated” atm. Probably because of riots, which is fair enough. She thinks it’s orders from “above” suspecting the Home Office. She recons direct neighbours were made to sign non disclosure agreements. (Fair enough, he’s meant to be 17 and a minor)

I believe it, but as I said, may be a lie. Public needs to be manipulated to keep order, but I don’t like it personally. One thing to understand, another - to control emotions! Definitely finding it hard considering kids were attacked.

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His name has not been shared because he is 17. That is not unique to this case. Information needs to stay out the media for security purposes and to ensure a successful trial. Why would you want to know his name and address? What use is that information to anyone?

Lentilweaver · 31/07/2024 16:34

SincerelyTabi · 31/07/2024 16:28

Hey lentilweaver, why is this a problem? Are you expecting immigrants to be good immigrants and only hold views that you approve of? Interesting how you hone in on her immigrant identity, it's more subtle but still othering. I've seen this kind of very inherent attitude in many who thought they are open minded and inclusive. What strings are you attaching to your version of edi?

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I am an immigrant! The good immigrant bad immigrant dichotomy popularised by the likes of Braverman has already done enough damage. As has the glee at keeping immigrants out. The poster in question just seemed rather oddly thrilled about a no immigration country.

I dont think I am offering a version of EDL. They would be calling me the P word.

Boomer55 · 31/07/2024 16:35

The locals are upset. This idiots have just disrupted their grieving.🙄

nightmareXmas · 31/07/2024 16:35

I share the OP's disgust at the behaviour last night. Haven't RTFT but in case this hasn't been mentioned, there is a fundraiser to help the people whose shop was wrecked and looted, as their insurance won't cover it. Can't post the link sucessfully, but if you google 'Rose Tucker Fundraiser' it will come up.

Whippetlovely · 31/07/2024 16:36

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:31

Unverified info below, because that person may have lied to me. But I know someone from around there and she said her and her husband were approached by police officer asking to not spread, saying that public is being “manipulated” atm. Probably because of riots, which is fair enough. She thinks it’s orders from “above” suspecting the Home Office. She recons direct neighbours were made to sign non disclosure agreements. (Fair enough, he’s meant to be 17 and a minor)

I believe it, but as I said, may be a lie. Public needs to be manipulated to keep order, but I don’t like it personally. One thing to understand, another - to control emotions! Definitely finding it hard considering kids were attacked.

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This makes sense, the riots have certainly caused a distraction from the actual event. Instead of questioning why a 17 year old would want to kill innocent children we are talking about far right thugs. This playbook has been used so many times.

bombastix · 31/07/2024 16:37

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:31

Unverified info below, because that person may have lied to me. But I know someone from around there and she said her and her husband were approached by police officer asking to not spread, saying that public is being “manipulated” atm. Probably because of riots, which is fair enough. She thinks it’s orders from “above” suspecting the Home Office. She recons direct neighbours were made to sign non disclosure agreements. (Fair enough, he’s meant to be 17 and a minor)

I believe it, but as I said, may be a lie. Public needs to be manipulated to keep order, but I don’t like it personally. One thing to understand, another - to control emotions! Definitely finding it hard considering kids were attacked.

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what an unpleasant lie that would be; and the indeed the motives of anyone spreading it would be deeply suspect.

SerafinasGoose · 31/07/2024 16:39

Boomer55 · 31/07/2024 16:35

The locals are upset. This idiots have just disrupted their grieving.🙄

Including the mother of little Elsie, and this in particular is unforgivable. If the grieving process is disrupted it can do immeasurable harm. Even Freud understood that.

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:40

Fluufer · 31/07/2024 16:27

Which country are you from? It's an anonymous forum, there's no reason to be secretive. If it's so great, let us check it out.

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Croatia, Malta, Poland, Norway, Slovakia and Slovenia, Switzerland - all have significantly lower rates of knife crime and killings. And apart from Croatia, all have insanely low number of migrants from Middle East and Africa.

you might not like my country, it’s freezing there during winters and sweltering hot in summers. Maybe that’s why they left to France…

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:42

Not much lower actually , statistically. Mainly far smaller countries.

Are you looking at rates or totals?

CantDealwithChristmas · 31/07/2024 16:42

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:31

Unverified info below, because that person may have lied to me. But I know someone from around there and she said her and her husband were approached by police officer asking to not spread, saying that public is being “manipulated” atm. Probably because of riots, which is fair enough. She thinks it’s orders from “above” suspecting the Home Office. She recons direct neighbours were made to sign non disclosure agreements. (Fair enough, he’s meant to be 17 and a minor)

I believe it, but as I said, may be a lie. Public needs to be manipulated to keep order, but I don’t like it personally. One thing to understand, another - to control emotions! Definitely finding it hard considering kids were attacked.

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Mmmm sounds a bit conspiracy-theory-ish to me.

The Government wouldn't make members of the public sign an NDA - NDAs are for commerical relationships - it'd be the official secrets act but honestly?? I doubt it.

I would also say that public perceptions of brutal crimes are ALWAYS managed - because Government has ALWAYS been concerned not to inflame the public directly.

During Covid, initial fears about body storage and morgues overflowing were kept from the public.

Certain details about the Bluger slaying were kept secret from the public until books were published years later

The details of the 'kill kit' that was found in the Yorkshire Ipper's car was not disclosed until years later

Ditto the full details of the 'torture dunegon' found in the Wests' basement

etc etc

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:43

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:42

Not much lower actually , statistically. Mainly far smaller countries.

Are you looking at rates or totals?

Rates, as these would have been population adjusted. And we were talking about rate of crime, weren’t we?

bombastix · 31/07/2024 16:43

@DecusCulinae - most suspect you are with your friends with mysterious lies. Grind your rumours less obviously next time

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:43

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:40

Croatia, Malta, Poland, Norway, Slovakia and Slovenia, Switzerland - all have significantly lower rates of knife crime and killings. And apart from Croatia, all have insanely low number of migrants from Middle East and Africa.

you might not like my country, it’s freezing there during winters and sweltering hot in summers. Maybe that’s why they left to France…

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The countries with the very highest murder rates also have 'insanely' low numbers of migrants.

Your last sentence is really racist.

SerafinasGoose · 31/07/2024 16:44

PocketSand · 31/07/2024 16:31

We should all be concerned about the rise of the far right politically and the deployment of far right thugs exploiting tragedies to commit crimes to promote their beliefs. Nothing good can come from this.

But history teaches us what the antecedents are. It's not what you'd think. It's not immigration. Its inequity and inequality has increased hugely since Covid. Deal with inequality. Crush the ideology before it causes untold harm.

They usually do crawl out of the woodwork when a Labour government is in power. We've seen this pattern emerge before. This time it's only taken a matter of weeks.

Lndnmummy · 31/07/2024 16:45

pandasorous · 31/07/2024 15:51

yep these people definitely look like they are respectfully grieving. apparently this is British culture (so the twats in this riot kept saying). as a Muslim mumsnetter who has had to performatively apologise every time a twat in the Muslim community does something, I would like to see the English/British mumsnetters (although I am one too, so not sure where this leaves me) apologise and distance themselves from this behaviour. I would also like a detailed discussion about how English culture leads to these kinds of behaviours. thanks.

https://youtube.com/shorts/-Gw4fIGRSYA?si=P7l3fiWcoIfEqCF

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Louder for those in the back! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:45

DecusCulinae · 31/07/2024 16:43

Rates, as these would have been population adjusted. And we were talking about rate of crime, weren’t we?

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Murder, yes. The total rates are not hugely lower than Scotland, or Ireland and not 2 times lower than RUK as previously stated.

justasking111 · 31/07/2024 16:45

pandasorous · 31/07/2024 16:05

the old I can't be racist, I have black friends mantra
if you can't see how your post was racist, I can't explain it to you

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Not friends, family. I'm guessing you don't have a multi cultural family.

We're blessed with Welsh, Irish, Scottish Jewish and French family too.

Tabitha005 · 31/07/2024 16:47

Some cunts just want to watch the world burn and it doesn't matter what chaos and hurt they cause anyone else. I don't think the rioting in Southport is connected much to the false rumours being spread about the nationality or religion of the boy arrested, either. Public disorder of this type doesn't need anything to kick it off except a few whispers of the promise of aggro directed towards people who thrive on aggression and chaos, and likely lead disordered lives themselves. People like that have no allegiance to anything other than their own selfish needs and whims.

Saucery · 31/07/2024 16:47

I can believe police asked neighbours not to spread around information, for the same reason as they asked online speculation not to be indulged in. NDAs is a load of bollocks though, your friend is bigging up her part there 🙄

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:47

You conveniently ignored Germany's low murder rate.

SincerelyTabi · 31/07/2024 16:48

@Lentilweaver

You could have made your argument without drawing attention to the fact that DecusCulinae is an immigrant. Just as we should look at the murder suspect without highlighting his cultural heritage. You pulled DecusCulinae up pointing out how they as an immigrant can possibly express such views but I believe it is othering and there is no need to build an argument around someone not being from here. She and her opinions were put down based on her not being British. Just as no judgement should be made about the young male suspect's ancestry in relation to his crime this poster's opinions, even if we disagree, should not be argued against by pointing out her not being a native Brit. I wouldn't be surprised if the male suspect hadn't been at the receiving end of a whole load of racism and we should all take care not to exert superiority over others due to their cultural background or be unconsciously biased just because someone is not 'from here'.

justasking111 · 31/07/2024 16:48

Tabitha005 · 31/07/2024 16:47

Some cunts just want to watch the world burn and it doesn't matter what chaos and hurt they cause anyone else. I don't think the rioting in Southport is connected much to the false rumours being spread about the nationality or religion of the boy arrested, either. Public disorder of this type doesn't need anything to kick it off except a few whispers of the promise of aggro directed towards people who thrive on aggression and chaos, and likely lead disordered lives themselves. People like that have no allegiance to anything other than their own selfish needs and whims.

Sounds like some football supporters always looking for a fight.

The common denominator being that they're mostly male.

Lentilweaver · 31/07/2024 16:51

@SincerelyTabi OK. @DecusCulinae has since clarified that she believes in immigration, just not immigration from some countries. I am not the one being superior here.@

Scirocco · 31/07/2024 16:52

Katemax82 · 31/07/2024 16:28

I don't agree with mindless violence but people are ANGRY

Angry at Muslims for... existing?