Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

[Bex5490]

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy.

Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs?

The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police.

I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

Hungary is not the utopia you describe it as. Crime statistics and gender equality statistics are freely available.

I'm so sorry this has happened and am ashamed those gleeful wankers think that kind of thuggery and idiocy and incitement is okay. I hope they identify and arrest every one. They don't represent me.
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They were romany romanians.

He condemned the violence and riots last night. And explicitly said throwing bricks and anger at police isn’t a solution. Which is true! Police are doing their job and trying to keep everyone safe!

he did say there are “other ways”, but wasn’t explicit about that. Which left me wondering what else can be done.

I’ve actually tried to write a Petition for Parliament, but (to Jo surprised) the Parliament Petition Commitee has been dissolved due to General Election and it is still to be reinstated.

I don’t know what else to do and how to get to Westminster so they actually do something about the knife crime.

You are going to have to bame this voluntary with no knife crime. It may not feel like it, but the UK has low murder rates, compared internationally.

It was an absolute disgrace.
The bereaved families have enough to deal with & these idiots think it’s appropriate to turn up at a peaceful vigil and cause havoc & violence. Honestly they should be ashamed. They are embarrassing.

I’m very happy as a non Muslim Mumsnetter to say that some of the comments on this thread make me ashamed to be English.

We are not all as bigoted as some of the posters.

I’ve just quickly googled the crime rates UK vs other countries, and there is useful wiki page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

country I’m from has 2x lower homicide rates. So very very low internationally. I think there’s something to be said about border control and strict profiling there.

This.

The sheer male brutal violence against our police from the EDL yesterday has overshadowed and is now covering up in the media the sheer brutal violence against a group of very young girls who were attacked in a frenzy when they thought they were in a happy, safe and fun place on holiday. People are now mostly talking about the riots and not as much about one of the most evil and frenzied attacks against children in British history. There will be people who know the 17 year old suspect and gossip about him will come out on x or elsewhere before long. Some of his teachers and school mates will have sussed him out a long time ago. Stabbing requires close proximity between the perpetrator and the victim and is a physically demanding act. The predatory, sustained and frenzied action indicates uncontrollable rage to me. What he might have been raging about or who he might have been raging against will hopefully come out in court. His family must be in hiding as their address was shared online?

I can understand people can be angry but there can never ever be an excuse for supporting terrorists whatever their background (and I include edl thugs in this category). Muslims should know bette. Islam is very clear on rules of war and harm to civilians being absolutely forbidden. anger in general is also frowned upon. a man came to the Prophet SAWS and asked him, please give me some advice. and the Prophet SAWS said "do not be angry". the man asked again give me another piece of advice and the Prophet SAWS repeated "do not be angry" and then again a third time.

no good comes out of anger. although full disclosure I probably need that advice as well, I tend to get quite heated.🫣

Hang on @DecusCulinae you are an immigrant in the UK and you are proud of the fact that there is no immigration to your country of origin? Have I got that right?

exactly. they won't even let the families and the community grieve in peace.

So you think your children are able to play on the streets without supervision because you've managed to run immigrants out of the country, which you apparently believe is something that calls for laughing face emojis?

Most murders in UK are committed by people known to the suspect. Predominantly white, British, male.

and @BehindTheSequinsandStilettos I know of course that the bigots are the minority. my comment was tongue in cheek. just highlighting the absurdity of painting a whole community as awful because of individuals being twats.
there has been a lot of supportive comments too which I have taken heart it.

Which country are you from? It's an anonymous forum, there's no reason to be secretive. If it's so great, let us check it out.

couldn't agree more. ultimately it's poverty and lack of education that leads to these issues, not the colour of people's skin!! you would have thought that society has evolved enough now for people to be aware of this basic fact.

I don't agree with mindless violence but people are ANGRY

Hey lentilweaver, why is this a problem? Are you expecting immigrants to be good immigrants and only hold views that you approve of? Interesting how you hone in on her immigrant identity, it's more subtle but still othering. I've seen this kind of very inherent attitude in many who thought they are open minded and inclusive. What strings are you attaching to your version of edi?

yes, maybe we can immigrate there?
also @Fluufer Hungary may have political and racism issues, but they can cook a duck like nobody's business! I can deal with a little racism to get some good food.

Its women getting killed by a man, and men making the situation infinitely worse, traumatising the victims and wrecking property.
50 police officers injured.
TR and his thugs ALWAYS ALWAYS makes things worse, and also impossible for anyone to say anything against illegal immigration because we get lumped in with him.
I despise his fake concern.
And now the police will be even more reluctant to discuss anything about future suspects.

I am mystified. The worst countries have very low immigration ( obviously US aside). Scotland and Ireland are doing well, England and Wales still the 142nd worst, similar to many EU countries. Marginal differences at the better end of the list. You can't read immigration easily into actual rates. Some people might examine rises , and changes in crime types.

We should all be concerned about the rise of the far right politically and the deployment of far right thugs exploiting tragedies to commit crimes to promote their beliefs. Nothing good can come from this.

But history teaches us what the antecedents are. It's not what you'd think. It's not immigration. Its inequity and inequality has increased hugely since Covid. Deal with inequality. Crush the ideology before it causes untold harm.

Unverified info below, because that person may have lied to me. But I know someone from around there and she said her and her husband were approached by police officer asking to not spread, saying that public is being “manipulated” atm. Probably because of riots, which is fair enough. She thinks it’s orders from “above” suspecting the Home Office. She recons direct neighbours were made to sign non disclosure agreements. (Fair enough, he’s meant to be 17 and a minor)

I believe it, but as I said, may be a lie. Public needs to be manipulated to keep order, but I don’t like it personally. One thing to understand, another - to control emotions! Definitely finding it hard considering kids were attacked.

Equally concerned about the far left. Because both are equally bad.