Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

[Bex5490]

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy.

Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs?

The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police.

I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

Has Tommy Robinson actually made a statement about this? Did he organise the protest last night or call for people to protest at the mosque?

He's hiding in Spain.

That might just be because they're a weird family rather than Asian.

I have Asian neighbours and they're great. Asian birthday parties in my experience have also been the best for parents because they make so much food for grown-ups! I also know Asians who I don't get on with. Just like I know some brilliant white families and some I don't like.

Bigotry and conscious bias, even If you don't recognise it.

why can't your kids go anywhere? what has happened to them? what do actual stats say? I say this as someone who lives in a very mixed area of Bradford, whose kids go out by themselves and never have a problem.

I grew up in Birkenhead North, don't think I ever saw a non-white person for most of my childhood. That was a much scarier place to walk around, crime robbery, I was knifed aged 14.

The problems in these cities aren't because of immigrants, they're because of poverty, bigotry and exclusion.

They're mixed race anyway. So its not even like it's a homogeneous Asian culture is to blame. Lovely Asian neighbours here too.

He put out a statement saying he understood people were angry but the riot was not the answer.

the sad thing about last night's thuggery is that people are forgetting the victims of Monday's horror and the heroes who rushed in to save them

I wish everyone could get back to that

Yeah, they sound rude and odd.

We're a mixed-race family, have had pets, DC love animals, playdates and parties all year round, etc.

That’s the thing isn’t it, once you start down the conspiracy/fake news road then anything that you don’t want to believe or hear immediately becomes further evidence of coverup or ‘fake news’. There is zero that would convince these people they’re wrong (which is always a useful question to ask yourself if you’re wondering whether your affected or not). They’re brainwashed.

even getting Farage or whatever-hes-called-this-week Robinson on side to calm things wouldn’t work. That’s why Russia and China invest so heavily in troll farms for disruption - outrage takes on a life of its own and self perpetuates.

The priority of the justice system is not to prejudice any trial. Due legal process is these grieving families' only hope of justice for their daughters. This is far more important than satisfying the 'need' of an over-curious, prurient, and in some cases volatile populace to know every last detail about a suspect who is a minor (hence in accordance with UK law) and hasn't even been charged yet. Vigilantism is the preserve of the terminally ignorant and ill-informed: the sort who are unable to tell the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile. There's a reason we don't do things that way in this country.

Responding to a different point other than that of the PP above, the commentary upthread about questioning the 'ideology' that led to this tragedy is just as myopic. How to 'debate' when we don't even know his motivation, and won't, unless he's charged and the case goes to trial? All we know about this suspect is that he's male, 17 (a minor), from Cardiff, and that his parents are from Rwanda.

He's male. His victims are female. Only last week we heard reports that VAWG in the UK is at the level of a national emergency. THIS is the one common denominator surrounding similar cases: male pattern violence. What will happen if 'The Ideology' proves (again) to be nothing more than the misogynistic patriarcy in which we live? (And don't kid yourself that misogyny is imported. We have plenty of home-grown violent, sexist pricks). Will the victims then become mere statistics, like all the other women and girls murdered at the hands of violent, vengeful males; a drop in the ocean amid all the other tragic names read out annually in parliament by Jess Phillips? Will there be rioting in the street if this turns out to be the (far too commonplace) eventuality?

My confident prediction is this. Will there fuck.

When I see this sort of response to such an awful tragedy, I just assume it's a bunch of men who are angry because showing up with a cock and a narcisstic personality doesn't equate to automatic success anymore. I'm guessing its a paradigm shift they are unable to cope with. They have to blame someone for being so pointless.

Why has my post been deleted? How did I break the talk guidelines? Says it all really.

We absolutely need to call it out. Because it's Russian lies and bullshit being spread by useful idiots🤦‍♀️ in the UK. It directly lead to last night's thuggery.

Looting. Rioting. 50 odd police officers injured, more than 20 hospitalised. £££££s of damage. A traumatised community further traumatised.

Everyone who spread rumours or conspiracy theories after the tragedy in Southport is responsible for this. Stop it! Stop allowing yourselves to be used to destabilise the UK! And have a word with yourself about your gullibility.

Pretty much.

He was calling for all uk cities to rise up.

I don’t know what input he had with Southport specifically.

BBC is not reporting the whole story. The added information was reported (with pictures) on daily mail.

But I would like to add a little bit of European perspective here, since I’m an immigrant from EU. The riots are of course not a common occurrence where I am from, and I always prefer staying out of them as it’s very bonkers to ever be involved in violence.

a story from my childhood: I grew up and went to school with unusual girl, she was Azerbaijani and from fully Azerbaijani family. We were very close when we were in primary school, I went to her home and she went to mine. We spoke same language and shared all sorts of girl activities. She Waldo has an older brother. Very ordinary family, very friendly parents. In the EU country where I’m from it’s forbidden to wear cultural appropriation items in schools, and tbf I’ve actually never seen hijab on the streets either. The family was fully assimilated and integrated, dressed in clothes everyone else did and there was no way to distinguish them from any “natives” so to call them. (A small note, there are only 0.08% of Muslims in my original country)

After I graduated from high school, she moved to London. Got married to Azerbaijani, had two kids.. all ordinary. Until 7th October came. Then she started posting severely pro-Hamas anti-Jewish slurs. Didn’t condemn the attacks on Jews, instead moved in to actively support Hamas. In the meantime her brother got married with a Pakistani lady. Now all of them, the whole family that I knew as a child and loved as friends have turned into some extremists, wearing hijabs and using social media to promote hamas material. I dismissed it. I’m still following her and wish her happy birthday out of respect for my childhood memory.

But I can’t help to notice: I’m from EU, we have 0.08% of Muslims in my country. There’s not been a single racial attack, bombings or shootings or stabbings. In fact the most of our crimes are alcoholisms, drug overuse and male suicides (which isn’t great at all, but is not even reported in British MSM because it seems it became normal here!)

so here you go, just food for thought.

Exacty
This young man was born in Wales and grew up in Southport.
I don’t even know why his immigration status is even an issue
The police have indicated that it is not a terror attack
His religion is unknown
Despite this, there are people banging on about immigration being at the root of this issue
There were people on social media claiming that this young man came to Britain illegally last year. All lies to stoke up hatred.
It is truly disgusting and anyone who condones or excuses the vile racists should be thoroughly ashamed

No shootings or stabbings in an entire country?? Wow.

its EDL , EDF are a. Energy company not sure what they have to do with it

An additional factor is the weather. It's very warm at the moment. Stuff like this notoriously happens more frequently in hot weather.

Yep

I've been to those areas. no such thing as no go areas. there are poverty ridden areas with high knife crime etc. where anybody and everybody is at risk late at night etc. that has nothing to do with race.
as long as people don't go around flashing expensive watches/jewellery or get involved with the gangs, they are fine.

wearing hijab is not extreme
stop policing what other women do with their bodies.
are you sure it was pro hamas propaganda and not simply pro Palestinian activism. a lot of people conflate the two. give us an example of her prohamas sentiment. and even if she is extremist, so the fuck what? what has that got to do with general Muslim population or brown people in this country? are you responsible for the nazis because you are European?

if you are reading the daily mail, that says a lot about you, frankly.

The problem is that many people believe that knife crime in general is more common in Asian and black countries - so regardless of the ethnicity of the perpetrator - they 'bought' the knife crime to the UK. We do need to tackle knife crime. How I don't know considering there is apparently not enough prison space in this country.

@justasking111 aah yes, you met one weird mixed Asian family. we must all be weirdos then. I will give my neighbours a call and make sure I am not weirding them out with my brown skin and Asian food smells.