Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

[Bex5490]

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy.

Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs?

The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police.

I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

Anecdotally only but when me and my brown OH go most places (UK and abroad) where there are few brown people that it is unusual for her to encounter racism. Some people may take an excessive interest, but in a wow brown person way.

Places we have encountered racism or provocative comment nearly always tend to be heavily mixed areas.

The biggest factor is poverty and how fucked over people feel. Seeding the division is easy in places where everyone is having a hard time.

You make a good point @OneTC

I totally get this but all they are is a rent a mob from out of the area intent on causing destruction & spread hatred, we had exactly the same under almost the exact same circumstances last Nov after a school stabbing here, Dublin city was looted, buses & Garda cars burned..

the vigil was so peaceful & respectful before hand, the poor families & the whole area

I don’t have strong views on what the ethnic makeup of Cornwall should be like. But as someone who has lived in what’s euphemistically called a “multicultural” area for 30 years I really resent being told “multiculturalism doesn’t work”.

There certainly are problems with integrating immigrants in some parts of the UK. There is sometimes justified concern and resentment in areas of very high immigration. Yes it is possible to discuss this without being a racist.

But when people say “multiculturalism doesn’t work,” they are presuming to tell millions of other British people, indigenous white peoples and people from all corners of the world, that they have no right to rub along together.

Well, fuck that for a game of soldiers. I have a mixed heritage child, I live in a predominantly black area (I am white British). I love where I live. The people get on by and large, yes there are sometimes tensions but by and large people are respectful and tolerant. I have close friends from a variety of ethnicities and faiths.

No doubt someone will be along to tell me I am naive or lucky not to have to be fighting for housing with “these people” or fighting for NHS beds. Maybe so. But I have found my life to be hugely enriched by the presence of immigrants and have no desire to live cheek by jowl with people who look, sound and think exactly like me.

So thanks very much but you don’t get to tell the population of an entire country that “multiculturalism doesn’t work”. It works fine for a lot of us.

Haha yes you have a point but christ that's so miserable for you & your family. I think it's slowly changing, there's been a huge shift in tourist demographic since the pandemic & I'll wager over the new few years ppl will start moving down here that don't atm, shake it up a bit.

However, I did just post about what I've seen with my own eyes the last few years & it's not wholesome. For me, it's the one downside of living here

The Home Secretary is looking at whether the EDL should be proscribed as a terror group and I think after last night they should be, along with all their splinter groups.

Well 'right' is the language used in UK legislation.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9

Don't worry - it's "largely peaceful" - in today's parlance.

Speaking from my own experience, I think both kinds of places exist.
I’ve lived in an area with people from lots of different countries, many from Europe and the States, but also from other places.
It was a truly vibrant neighbourhood, with food shops and restaurants from different places and so on.
When Syrian refugees came in 2015 there was loads of support for them. A lovely Syrian family opened a cafe in our street, next to the Italian and the Albanian ones.
I’ve also lived in an area with high numbers of immigrants where many people don’t seem to be interested in integrating at all.
Not surprisingly, it’s a completely different experience compared the other neighbourhood.

Good idea. Fed up with their English nationalism which is just racist violence with a flag around it.

I am amazed that people cannot understand why there were riots last night.

The judge needs to order release of details of the perpetrator - it makes everything worse when people are filling the gaps.

Welll expressed@Thepeopleversuswork as are all your posts!

It makes me sad when people trot out the blanket "Multiculturism doesnt work." As Suella Braverman did to get Tory votes.

I fully believe in secularism, liberalism, the education of women, family values, freedom of speech,... But really, these are not exclusively British values. Much as people think. People from other countries have these values too. Because I am brown, I am constantly asked if I will be encouraging my DD into an arranged marriage. I didn;t have one myself! Most of the women in my family are doctors. People of colour are individuals; we are not all the same.

I welcome a discussion on integration and immigration, but not by thugs and rioters burning down everything they see. I live in S London, so hardly leafy green suburbs.

Exactly. Lack of information is fuelling the fire.

A flick knife, not a machete

Hear hear! I agree whole heartedly. I live in an area of Leeds which is very mixed and I have to say I've seen no tensions here. My daughter's school has over 60% of kids from ethnic minority backgrounds and people just get along. Just yesterday I took my daughter and friends out - two Christians, two Jewish, two Muslims and one Hindu. All the families know each other and are friends. We help each other out, we respect each other's religions (or lack of religion). There are many, many places like this in the UK.
Of course there are areas of tension. Look at the recent riots in Harehills, Leeds (an area I know well). I don't actually think these tensions arose from racial differences but from poverty, crime and tensions between the local community and "the authorities".
I truly believe our lives would he much poorer if we didn't have this diversity. I absolutely love it when our Muslim or Hindu friends invite us into their homes and cook for us or just share details of their lives.

The only information you need is that he is a murderer.

That's dreadful. Who goes to a vigil with a flick knife??? These right wing racist thugs have zero respect for the families. It's disgusting.

Suella Braverman bears some responsibility as to why the EDL feel so free. Wasn’t it she who said that the police should not be too tough on them as Home Secretary before they rioted around the Cenotaph?

Another grubby violent spectacle from the EDL.

But its not discussedvl in a rational way. All the stuff in the medua are from both extremes, and are discussed negatively. We need an open discussion from all sections, with the governmrnt centrall to it. From sensible well informed people, not those who won't listen to another person's point of view, who are aggressive and try shutting others down.

Exactly. Lack of information is fuelling the fire.

No. Disinformation, speculation and people not having the grace and sense to wait for the police to do their investigation is what's fuelling the fire.

The information we have at this point is as it should be.

Indeed. What happens if he turns out to be Muslim. It's unlikely but possible. This will just lead to even more attacks on mosques, innocent Muslim people being shouted at and abused in the street. It makes me sick.

I suggest you look up photos of the person carrying the flick knife and balaclava being arrested, he certainly was not right wing. 🙄

He isn’t