Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

[Bex5490]

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy.

Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs?

The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police.

I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

Awful. Scary times we are in! I even see it on here, seemingly ordinary presumably women on MN using phrases like “the invaders” when they mean immigrant and /or non-white

Agree, @Wordysmith . They are on here.

I just asked because I was confused by your point. My family's from Kerala, the village my parents are from is literally just local people and has been for centuries, but I don't think that means they're 'suffering' from lack of diversity...

Likewise I lived in Osaka for a while, pretty much everyone there is Japanese and I don't think that's a problem...

I'm just struggling to see how the Cornish are suffering from a monoculture. And how a lack of diversity would lead to a monoculture (is Cornwall really a monoculture?) Are you saying that there's a skills shortage in a particularly crucial area, for example?

Apologies if I expressed myself poorly I just had so many questions about your post!

So the problem is with the poster making assumptions about Scottish people.

In the same way someone would be wrong to make assumptions about a religion based upon the views of a religious extremist.

Your problem isn’t with me, it’s the poster who posted xenophobic hate against the Scottish.

The irony being they believe they are standing up to bigotry by being a bigot themselves.

Glad I cleared that up for you

I was replying to the pp about racism being worse in areas with little to no integration - that it aligned with my experience.

Awful lot of you suddenly determining something entirely different, pretty sure that's on you & not me

YOU said the culture of Cornwall needs diluting.

You got called out for it. Don’t blame others misinterpreting

Re making Cornwall more multi-cultural , my take on that is some multi cultural areas are great - over time you do see less racism as they become more multi-cultural. There were areas in London that used to be known as no go areas for POC in the 80s/90s or at least go at your own risk that have become better as multi-culturalism has thrived. From what I understand a lot of white racists actually moved out from those areas.

However, on the other hand one of the loveliest towns I’ve ever lived in was in the north of Scotland. It had so few POC but everyone was SO nice and I know a colleagues husband was a black American and he was absolutely loving it since it was such a change from his native Texas in terms of how people treated him despite there being far less black people there than in Texas.

The Cornish just don't like anyone who isn't Cornish enough. I'm Cornish, going back generations, parents and extended family all live there , but I have never lived there and avoid visiting frequently with my black DH and mixed raced sons. The culture of racism does need to be diluted.

There was a man with a machete arrested though, and Tommy did call for peace, also when the mobs were rioting in Leeds the police backed off and left them to it🤔

So many of you are fighting on here. It really isn’t the time or place.

A young 17 year old has done something atrocious - his actions do not reflect on any religion, creed or colour. He’s clearly unwell or been brainwashed - he was know to the police, who could not foresee this event.

Let think of those who are currently fighting for their lives, and the gre ing parents. This thread will not bring those children back.

What information has been released about the offender?

We know he’s male and 17 years old - but these people rioting think he’s Muslim and they are angry because the Police won’t say who it is and what his motivation was. So they are angry and afraid this is how they are expressing their discontent.

There has been a statement by an Imam from a local mosque but I think the problem here is the Police refusing to release any pertinent details about the offender.

Interesting- great insight. I’ve never been to Cornwall and don’t know anyone from there so I had no idea either way tbh.

The calls for ‘sensible discussion’ are impotent because in the mean time people pick fights, destroy their own and others communities whilst one of their leading figureheads thinks it’s the height of debating skills to just shout ‘boring’ at anything he doesn’t like hearing and doesn’t have an answer for whilst another dodges legal consequences for his actions whilst living in another country and claiming nothing but love for a country he has repeatedly showed disdain for.

I’m beyond sick of seeing admonishments when groups are painted as racist and probably not the cleverest. Bollocks to that, if you don’t like it don’t keep playing up to the stereotype and be a bit choosier about whose words you choose to repeat and company you keep. There is no serious discussion possible whilst a self agitated rabble insist on reverting to violence and destruction because they aren’t getting their way.

if you’re sick of being lumped in with racist and thick people, perhaps take the hijacking of a vigil for horrifically murdered children stirred up on social media with strong evidence of information originating from known agitators as an opportunity to assess exactly who you are. Take the time to consider that If you’re not choosing to distance yourself from these people you’re condoning them.

you can still be racist if you want, but you don’t have to be a destructive bellend.

The EDL are responsible for last night's riot. Going by your logic there, that makes all English people racist thugs.

Who is stopping you from thinking of those people. Why the lecture? It’s such a strange thing to do to come on the internet to lecture people on what they should talk about.

You do your thinking, and let people debate as they want to.

The problem here is they are thick and violent racists. I don’t usually agree with benefit sanctions but if any of them are on benefits they should be sanctioned. Rioting while supposedly looking for work or too unwell for work is surely not on.

If the man was white would they have rioted too? And if so against who? Themselves.

And where? Near local churches? The pub ? Football stadiums? Or some other places they assume he may have got his views from.

Absolute unjustifiable nonsense.

Those things don't give a flying fuck about those children.
They are using their deaths as an excuse to be violent and they are loving it. It's revolting.

No they’re not, they’re thugs jumping on an opportunity to cause mayhem.
PP is still making a valid point though.
Being from an immigrant background myself, I’m well aware of the role parents’ culture and attitude towards their host country and culture can play and how it can affect their child’s attitude.
In the case of the perpetrator from Southport we don’t know what motivated him and speculation doesn’t help.
I just think it’s a bit naive to assume that just because someone is born in the UK they will consider themselves British.

Good points.

Yes, there are no depths that these people will not stoop to.

I do understand what you are saying, but since Monday there has been a lot of racism on MN relating to this case and a lot of deliberate misinformation spread. I do think we have to call that out and combat it.

In America individuals regularly shoot up schools, are there riots. Genuinely wondering

I think the problem here is the Police refusing to release any pertinent details about the offender.

There is literally nothing else that they can legally release about him. He's a child. If they were to violate his rights by releasing more info, they would be risking a mistrial. I don't think anyone wants that.

It's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that he almost certainly isn't a Muslim, and the rioters attacked the mosque anyway. And even if he was a Muslim straight off a small boat, that wouldn't justify the rioting. So what details could the police release that would change anything?

Most of the people who shoot up schools in America are white, as indeed are most of the victims.

@CantDealwithChristmas

I see why you asked now. I don't know about about either place you were lucky to live in, though I did think there were issues with the Japanese being quite insular? Whilst also being very kind, welcoming & very principled?

For me, the UK is generally a real mixing pot of cultures, & I love that about my country. But areas with no integration do seem to have more issues. Those areas stand-out & are unusual, is what I mean.

Eg - when a previously 'local owned' corner shop was taken over by mixed race couple (she's white, he's Nepalese I think, never asked) there were ppl of that village openly boycotting his shop because of his skin colour & heritage.

Both shops in my village are now owned by two different Indian couples & guess what? Ppl legitimately tried to stop one of them taking on the shop they have.

A couple of years on (now) & no one cares anymore - but they did!

The local secondary has a small handful of non-white kids of which my friend's daughter is one. She laid a lad out for repeatedly calling her the N-word. (yes, I might have sent a congratulatory message to her mum 😬😏