Manchester Airport Incident

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After seeing the new footage, I believe the officers actions were understandable.

I didn’t view any of the footage until today, so watched it in its entirety before making a judgment.

First thing; having watched the incident with the police officer up close repeatedly I don’t think he stamps on the other man’s head. I think he stamps on the other persons hand. I don’t think contact with the head is made - I could be wrong, but it doesn’t appear so. If he does, that’s pretty shocking. The kick to the face is unpleasant however if there is a degree of trying to further disable the man without the use of hands as they are trained to then that could potentially make sense, however he already looks like he’s a bit out of it.

There is no defending this group of men. The idea that they don’t know who they’re attacking is ludicrous - they keep going and going. They need to be arrested and charged. I don’t understand enough about police training and procedures to comment on the police face kick - I’d want to understand more about training to comment, potentially this needs to be addressed. If he stamps on his head, that’s abhorrent. If he doesn’t, as I suspect, then that needs to be ignored as it isn’t a factor.

I do believe that we have major issues in this country on both sides - the law is not something to be afraid of. Police are regularly attacked, they don’t have much protection and sentencing is a joke.

However there is also an undercurrent of issues within the police force that we keep hearing about which is scary.

I don’t want us to end up in the same state as America. What happened over there recently with poor Sonya Massey is horrific, but I also want to start seeing criminals properly dealt with with, rather than rapists and paedophiles and violent criminals having short sentences and getting away with stuff.

These sorts of incidents need to be a catalyst for review and change.

I'm sorry but this post is awful.
I have a friend who was head of an armed response unit (now retired) and he is the calmest and gentlest person you could imagine.
The exact sort of person you would want in the job. The vast majority of our police are honest, well trained and are trying to do a good job.
This police officer lost control and you absolutely can't have armed response officers losing control. I hope he is sacked and sentenced appropriately.

As for the scumbag who assaulted the female police officer, I really hope he gets a long sentence.

it's not. we have a legal system for the punishment of crimes. It's not for the police to dish it out on the spot.

It's shocking that it took so long for the full video to come out.

Why is it a poor comparison? people in those professions deal with assault on a regular basis often without back up on hand

NHS staff are regularly assaulted at work and the police are called. Teachers are regularly assaulted at work and nothing happens. I’ve never heard of NHS staff or teachers stamping on heads.

Yes and to be clear - I was celebrating people like your retired friend. It saddens me the contempt with which people talk about the police - people doing a stressful, dangerous job for the good of society.

The poster who took my quote out of context has their own agenda, most recently saying 'people like me' made these absolute thugs attack serving police officers.

I don't think temper is the right word. The officer had been attacked - punched and strangled. Your body will release adrenaline and it's human instinct to protect yourself. I doubt any human could make a calm rational decision in that moment.

The police are expected to be Robocop or Marvel goodies not actual human beings according to some on this thread.

I suppose some people’s argument is that they should be trained TO remain calm in these moments. As I said in my post, this may potentially lead to questions about training, but we don’t know if the kick in the face was part of ‘disarming’ - not that the guy looked like he needed further disarming. I’d want to understand more about training given.

Getting bail and sitting in front of the cameras crying victim ( even the mum who on the video is shown to be injured by her son throwing punches) after violently attacking armed police and breaking a female officers nose.
Regardless of the police officers actions afterwards - what message is this sending out?
I have seen so many videos of police being violently attacked.
What an absolute joke.
No he should not have stamped on his head when he was no longer a threat but where the hell is the protection for police officers that put their lives in the line daily.
They do not always get it right and when they are caught out they should be held to account.
But can the same be said for the criminals that think it’s fine to attack officers?
Everybody expecting the police to be perfect, but what protection do they get?
Police brutality is not ok but attacking police officers and then sitting in front of cameras playing the victim and looking for a payout?
Fuck off!!

Ten times worse? When the man is tasered, on the ground and unable to defend himself, and when the person doing the kicking and stamping is a police officer with a duty to uphold the law? I don't excuse the attack on the police officer at all, but it is not ten times worse.

If you are stupid enough to attack armed police you should expect a bullet through the head.
Fools!

He was probably in full fight or flight mode after the worst few minutes of his life.

No one is saying his actions don't need investigated but seriously - why do people expect other humans to have superhuman patience in the face of the most extreme provocation?

I hope those repulsive thugs get locked up.
The police did well here to restrain them and protect the public having been violently attacked themselves.

BBC Verify have gone through this with the video slowed down and the picture maximised. It's clear he stamped on the man's head.

Having watched the assault on the police officer then I can absolutely understand his reaction to this disgusting violent criminal. Taking a complete beating from a member of the public, enough to render you unconscious and deeding hospital treatment would test the professionalism of any person.

As for blaming it on racist police officers - well I think the new footage shows it had nothing to do with their race- these were just violent trouble causing thugs who simply believe they are above the law!

Are you actually understanding what I'm writing? Because you seem to somehow think I'm defending the lowlife idiots who attacked police officers.

The guy doesn't have a mark on him, quite clearly wasn't kicked hard enough very hard. He was behaving like a psychopath. Anywhere else he'd likely have ended up dead or severely battered.
Being the UK he'll likely end up with a nice big compo package.

Zero sympathy for the scumbags attacking the police. Fuck around and find out.

Oh I agree with you. For most people, when being seriously attack you will try and defend yourself which potentially means attacking back. We expect so much from our police. With very little power we expect them to face and apprehend extremely dangerous people, put themselves on the front line every day, then complain when they aren’t perfect.

I’m actually in agreement with you and yes I can understand, thank you.

What led up to the police being called in the first place, no one has mentioned that.

A legal system for the punishment of crimes? What an absolute fucking joke. There are significant elements of society who know full well that they can do what the hell they like with zero consequences and in this case probably pocket a tidy compo settlement. Why do you think NSH staff, teachers etc are regularly assaulted? Because perpetrators know they can get away with it!! The onus is on the recipient to 'control' their reactions rather than where it SHOULD be equally, which is the behaviour of these thugs. They got what they asked for. You can't control the nervous system with the rational brain when you get too far into fight or flight; it is biologically impossible; what some posters are asking for here is simply not humanly possible.

I worked for many years with young adults with learning difficulties many of whom had challenging behaviour, staff members were assaulted on a daily basis quite often needing hospital treatment, I never ever saw any of my colleagues attack someone who had just attacked them, you maybe feel that you want to that's human nature but your training should allow you to restrain without harm, the officer in question was out of control and not suited to working in a highly emotive environment in my opinion