Manchester Airport Incident

[Hateam]

After seeing the new footage, I believe the officers actions were understandable.

Surely it comes down to how much physical control he had over his action. Fight or flight and the physiological response to extreme situations, when adrenaline takes over our minds.

Do we ever reach a point of extreme stress and fear when ultimately we act solely on instinct rather then trained responses.

‘Do we ever reach a point of extreme stress and fear when ultimately we act solely on instinct rather then trained responses.’

All the time, apparently the police are able to overcome this completely natural response though! Well, according to the few posters who are utterly desperate to defend the woman and police beating scum.

Anyone got the audio of the incident?

Is the guy on the floor saying fair cop guv or screaming obscenities/threats?

That's going to make a hell of a difference.

Am going to say fair play to the family of the suspects for ditching the glory hunting lawyer and also saying let the system sort it.

Am going to say fair play to the family of the suspects for ditching the glory hunting lawyer and also saying let the system sort it.

They didn't ditch him, he ditched himself. He's a careerist and well practised at self-PR, he knows better than to get involved with this shitshow, so he did the speediest reverse ferret since the Lord Almighty came down and spoke to Biden.

It may have been the glory hunting lawyer who ditched the family after seeing the full video.

it is also noteworthy that those worried about the man being kicked do not show the same concern about the officer being held/trapped while blows were rained down on his head.

i wonder whether the officer now has a “cyst” on the brain or any injuries that may have life long effects?

The brothers were very quick to become violent and seemed very capable with using their fists.

Absolute bloody scrotes who should rot in jail. I cannot fathom why they are at home on the sofa instead of behind bars. The UK has become truly pathetic and increasingly dangerous as a result.

The Home Secretary should lose her job over this in any rational government. She saw the whole video and couldn’t muster any support whatsoever for her injured and attacked police. Not fit for purpose.

I see the second video is being ignored by the same media outraged over the first one.

There is no excuse whatsoever for attacking the police. And in an airport to boot. They’re lucky they weren’t shot dead, which would have been fully justified IMO.

It's not even just flight or fight. The injuries to his head would have had a huge impact on his response. He may not have been able to see properly let alone think properly and act according to training.

People don't realise the courts, including European Court of Human Rights, doesn't want to place an unreasonable burden on what police & military personnel can do in the course of their duties.

If they have an honest belief regarding something about you, e.g., believe you to be armed, violent, etc, they are permitted to take more force than the civilian might expect.

Even if you're subsequently found to have been unarmed.

There are legal precedents for this in UK & Europe.

As for the officer, any case against him will hinge on whatever honest belief he reasonably held at the time. That's why I've not commented much on this as we don't have all the information.

A lot of people base their opinions on short clips posted on social media which never really has the full context. That goes for war clips as much as it does for an airport incident like this.

But they should’ve risen above it!

Or something…,

I'm starting to think the policeman's actions were exemplary. He successfully subdued the violent assailants with minimal injury to them. He didn't stamp on anyone's head, he stamped next to the head as a distraction and shock tactic. Unlike many mumsnetters who seem to think they're some kind of magic device that immediately stops everyone in their tracks for ages, he actually knows how tasers work and used appropriate actions when the violent assailant tried to get up again straight away as expected, stopping the assailant while protecting his weapons which he wouldn't have been able to do if he'd tried to handcuff the assailant. We've seen the assailants sitting totally unharmed on their sofa practising their best sad compo faces. They were very lucky and they should be in a cell right now.

I think you would have to be superhuman to see two of your colleagues (one a woman whose nose was broken) repeatedly punched while down on the floor and completely keep control of your emotions.

The police must have been terrified that one of these attackers would grab their weapons.

Fully agree. Between this and removing the Rwanda deterrent without providing any safe routes, resulting in 8 deaths is it now? (a whole other thread) Cooper has made catastrophic errors far beyond those of any HS since at least Jacqui Smith and has to go.

I think you would have to be superhuman to see two of your colleagues (one a woman whose nose was broken) repeatedly punched while down on the floor and completely keep control of your emotions.

I doubt he would have seen his colleagues being attacked - he was otherwise engaged with fending off the man who was punching him in the head.

The first is Starmer too but agree her statements are bad. They’ll continue to be if deaths keep mounting

Not going to do this though is she. Being anti establishment screams to their far left core

There aren't enough police anyway.

I can't even remember when I last saw one when walking round my town. Despite this, the shop windows remain unsmashed and the locals remain unmurdered.

The British model is policing by consent. For the most part it works very well. De-escalate. Arrest. As seen recently in Leeds. If the West Yorks police had acted like the CRS would have done in a comparable French city, half of Leeds would have gone up in flames.

There's a big difference between policing mass unrest and policing a potential active terrorist incident in an airport.

Completely different situations, tactics, etc.

Also, whilst I am glad you live in a peaceful and prosperous town with a low crime rate, please bear in mind that not everyone on this thread enjoys your level of privilege. We need the police.

Dont act like a violent idiot around armed police officers. Choke hold a policeman, break a police woman’s nose, then sit on your sofa with a sad face, claiming you are the victim.

What you said is silly . The officers are armed and highly skilled. They are fully aware of the dangers they face. They carry guns and need to be of the highest standard when it comes to their behaviour. And he did stamp on his head what a silly thing to say. He wasn't using it as a shoe rest was he...and those shoes they wear.. those shoes are killers I'm sure. Toe reinforced probably at a guess.

I lived in the East End of London for nearly 40 years. I didn't get murdered there either.

The people involved are lucky to be sat at home nursing their wounds, rather than full of 'more holes than Swiss cheese'. It's irrelevant what happens in other countries.

On the contrary, it's absolutely relevant what happens in other countries.

Terrorism is a global issue and anti-terror police units regularly swap learning and tactics with other units across the globe.

Whilst I'm glad you lived in the east end without being 'murdered', you are not the only person who resides in the UK. Therefore, your singular experience is not representative.

I'd also argue that, in addition to major things like terrorism and murder (which you so lightly bandy about), it's the smaller and more constant things that grind us working classes down: drug consumption openly, dealing, commotion and unruly behaviour (was kept awake all night by the hellish family who live down the hall from me, they've previously tried to kick mine and my neighbours doors in just for the heck of it), littering, graffiti, mugging, verbal harrassment etc.

We need the police.

Meh, you fuck about, you find out.

Personally I'm happy to live somewhere where if you violently attack armed police in an airport, you get a kick in the head.

Lots of other countries they would have been shot and it wouldn't even make the national news.