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Hateam · 2024-07-28T07:55:19+00:00

After seeing the new footage, I believe the officers actions were understandable.

Ringpeace · 29/07/2024 12:49

CantDealwithChristmas · 29/07/2024 12:41

On the contrary, it's absolutely relevant what happens in other countries.

Terrorism is a global issue and anti-terror police units regularly swap learning and tactics with other units across the globe.

Whilst I'm glad you lived in the east end without being 'murdered', you are not the only person who resides in the UK. Therefore, your singular experience is not representative.

I'd also argue that, in addition to major things like terrorism and murder (which you so lightly bandy about), it's the smaller and more constant things that grind us working classes down: drug consumption openly, dealing, commotion and unruly behaviour (was kept awake all night by the hellish family who live down the hall from me, they've previously tried to kick mine and my neighbours doors in just for the heck of it), littering, graffiti, mugging, verbal harrassment etc.

We need the police.

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I know. And I agree.

My point is that we don't (typically) have police units that spray hot lead around when an incident can be de-escalated without lethal force. That isn't (typically) the British method. Nor should it be.

wombat15 · 29/07/2024 12:57

Redhil · 29/07/2024 12:26

What you said is silly . The officers are armed and highly skilled. They are fully aware of the dangers they face. They carry guns and need to be of the highest standard when it comes to their behaviour. And he did stamp on his head what a silly thing to say. He wasn't using it as a shoe rest was he...and those shoes they wear.. those shoes are killers I'm sure. Toe reinforced probably at a guess.

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Regardless of his previous abilities, people are often not skilled at anything after being punched in the head several times. Who knows what impact that that had on him.

CantDealwithChristmas · 29/07/2024 13:10

Ringpeace · 29/07/2024 12:49

I know. And I agree.

My point is that we don't (typically) have police units that spray hot lead around when an incident can be de-escalated without lethal force. That isn't (typically) the British method. Nor should it be.

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I wasn't suggesting it was. I was advancing my opinion that a kick in the head, in the very unusual and highly particularised circumstances (of which we strill don't know the full details) is not necessarily police brutality and may be highly justificable under the circumstances, especially when compared with many of our European neighbours where the same behaviour and potential terrorist threat would be met with lethal force.

DownNative · 29/07/2024 13:41

Ringpeace · 29/07/2024 12:49

I know. And I agree.

My point is that we don't (typically) have police units that spray hot lead around when an incident can be de-escalated without lethal force. That isn't (typically) the British method. Nor should it be.

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Arming police doesn't mean they'll "spray hot lead around when an incident can be de-escalated"!

That's a non-sequitur and folks really need to lay of thinking of US police forces when we already have an example of a routinely armed police force in the UK which very rarely fires weapons with 0 fatalities in its history - PSNI.

A police officer needs to psychologically dominate a suspect and/or criminal very early on to reduce the likelihood of an incident spinning out of control.

An officer pulling his CQC weapon out has a habit of psychologically dominating a suspect which leads to compliance.

If that suspect is armed in some fashion and moves to attack, they can be shot and not in the arms or legs like in Hollywood films.

Honest belief comes into play for police officers AND soldiers as per ECtHR cases.

I suggest times have changed and GB forces in places such as Manchester and London should be looking at the PSNI policing model.

ChesterDrawz · 29/07/2024 16:17

Ringpeace · 29/07/2024 12:03

There aren't enough police anyway.

I can't even remember when I last saw one when walking round my town. Despite this, the shop windows remain unsmashed and the locals remain unmurdered.

The British model is policing by consent. For the most part it works very well. De-escalate. Arrest. As seen recently in Leeds. If the West Yorks police had acted like the CRS would have done in a comparable French city, half of Leeds would have gone up in flames.

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If that part of Leeds had gone up in flames it would have done millions of pounds worth of improvement.

Policing by consent works when society is complicit in maintaining a level of law and order and good will itself.

We know for a fact - it's indisputable - that there are large sections/communities with absolutely zero respect for anyone but themselves.

How anyone can even begin to fault the police here in the face such a barrage of violence - committed by feral thugs in the presence of their own mother FFS! - beggars belief.

FishersGate · 29/07/2024 16:47

ChesterDrawz · 29/07/2024 16:17

If that part of Leeds had gone up in flames it would have done millions of pounds worth of improvement.

Policing by consent works when society is complicit in maintaining a level of law and order and good will itself.

We know for a fact - it's indisputable - that there are large sections/communities with absolutely zero respect for anyone but themselves.

How anyone can even begin to fault the police here in the face such a barrage of violence - committed by feral thugs in the presence of their own mother FFS! - beggars belief.

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Couldn't agree more with you