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Manchester Airport Incident

381 replies

Hateam · 28/07/2024 08:55

After seeing the new footage, I believe the officers actions were understandable.

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Steelerectorkie · 28/07/2024 16:45

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Allfur · 28/07/2024 16:51

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Doesn't correct the meaning of the sentence, given this is their country

60sbird · 28/07/2024 16:51

Hateam · 28/07/2024 08:55

After seeing the new footage, I believe the officers actions were understandable.

I’m glad you put that up, I was trying to do it myself, they had to get them under control as they were so violent, then to hear from their solicitor saying they are to scared to leave the house as they are so scared of the police and that their mother is so scared and hasn’t eaten since it happened. Really, is she not scared of her violent sons

OlympicNightmare · 28/07/2024 16:56

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They’re British.

The colour of their skin and their religion is not the issue here. Their behaviour and the behaviour of the police are the two things up for debate. Race and religion were brought up as the belief was that it was racially motivated, but it appears that is not the case.

Either way, they are British citizens.

Cherryana · 28/07/2024 17:01

I am usually quite lefty but at some point there has to be a hierarchy enforced for peace to be enjoyed by the majority.

Having seen the video I think that the police did the right thing, in the wrong way BUT that those volatile situations are not going to be all neat - and so if I give slack or sympathy it’s to the police officer.

Mercurial123 · 28/07/2024 17:08

Whammyammy · 28/07/2024 16:29

Thuggery on both sides...

www.reuters.com/fact-check/2020-attack-images-unrelated-manchester-airport-incident-2024-07-26/

No it's related to another incident.

AddictedToBooks · 28/07/2024 17:09

I'm sorry but a forceful kick and stamp to the head is never excusable. People have been killed by less.
My SIL who I love to pieces is a serving armed officer in GMP so this could have happened to her and there's no excuses for the disgusting attack on the female police officer (I saw it, and it was sickening and knowing that it was only due to shift patterns that my SIL wasn't there, makes it hit home even more), but he still should not have had his head kicked and stamped.

Areyoureadynow · 28/07/2024 17:11

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I said the same and got my post removed. It seems we aren’t allowed to say this as it’s ‘racist’.

I don’t see what is racist about wanting foreign nationals that cause terror and violence to be removed. Other countries won’t put up with it. They’d have been shot elsewhere.

Areyoureadynow · 28/07/2024 17:13

OlympicNightmare · 28/07/2024 16:56

They’re British.

The colour of their skin and their religion is not the issue here. Their behaviour and the behaviour of the police are the two things up for debate. Race and religion were brought up as the belief was that it was racially motivated, but it appears that is not the case.

Either way, they are British citizens.

Yet it’s ok for them and their lawyer to immediately scream ‘racism’. There's an entitlement in knowing that they can attempt to get away with murder and if they get reprimanded they can use the race card.

Kendodd · 28/07/2024 17:19

I bet if these officers (all of them) are not charged, found guilty, and inprisoned, we will have violent riots in Manachester. Regardless of any attack these officers had just suffered. Throwing the book at these officers and a massive payout for these criminal thugs will be the only thing that (might) satisfy the community they come from. These thugs are their heros.

This isn't to say the officers acted perfectly. The fact that they had just recieved several blows to the head and had reportedly been knocked out briefly should be taken into account though.

Kendodd · 28/07/2024 17:25

OhHelloMiss · 28/07/2024 10:37

The mother had an altercation on the plane.....her sons confronted him in a coffee shop and it kicked off between them

Well children very often learn by example and considering she raised these charmers, I wonder what this altercation she was involved in was?

Allfur · 28/07/2024 17:28

Kendodd · 28/07/2024 17:25

Well children very often learn by example and considering she raised these charmers, I wonder what this altercation she was involved in was?

Racism apparently, which is probably something she's been a victim of before

Drivingnowhere · 28/07/2024 17:30

Yet it’s ok for them and their lawyer to immediately scream ‘racism’. There's an entitlement in knowing that they can attempt to get away with murder and if they get reprimanded they can use the race card

Some of them are literally getting away with murder. Where is the uproar in their community for the poor girl who died after being kicked in the head by her brother? There is no uproar, even her own parents are protecting him. No charges, free to go.
If this officer is punished for protecting the public it will make an absolute mockery of our police force.

metro.co.uk/2024/07/25/smirking-brother-stays-silent-sisters-inquest-damning-texts-girlfriend-21297660/

OlympicNightmare · 28/07/2024 17:35

Areyoureadynow · 28/07/2024 17:13

Yet it’s ok for them and their lawyer to immediately scream ‘racism’. There's an entitlement in knowing that they can attempt to get away with murder and if they get reprimanded they can use the race card.

Did you miss the point where I said ‘race and religion are not the issue here?’

It’s not acceptable for anyone to throw around unfounded racist accusations. It’s also not acceptable to bring race into it.

Stop looking for a fight where the isn’t one. I have repeatedly said I hope these men are charged for their behaviour, I’m not defending them, however to attach a race issue to this is unacceptable - and that works both ways.

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 17:36

Drivingnowhere · 28/07/2024 17:30

Yet it’s ok for them and their lawyer to immediately scream ‘racism’. There's an entitlement in knowing that they can attempt to get away with murder and if they get reprimanded they can use the race card

Some of them are literally getting away with murder. Where is the uproar in their community for the poor girl who died after being kicked in the head by her brother? There is no uproar, even her own parents are protecting him. No charges, free to go.
If this officer is punished for protecting the public it will make an absolute mockery of our police force.

metro.co.uk/2024/07/25/smirking-brother-stays-silent-sisters-inquest-damning-texts-girlfriend-21297660/

The solicitor looks like he’s after money and 15 minutes of fame

Going by the description of what he does

OlympicNightmare · 28/07/2024 17:37

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 17:36

The solicitor looks like he’s after money and 15 minutes of fame

Going by the description of what he does

He tried to become an MP previously and during that period was quoted supporting domestic violence. He’s a very dodgy sort. There have been lots of stories about his behaviour.

LuckysDadsHat · 28/07/2024 17:39

All of them are in the wrong. What the suspects did was very wrong, and what the police officer did with the kick to the head was wrong. We cannot have police with a hot temper in these positions of power. We also cannot let the suspects get away with the original incident either.

OhHelloMiss · 28/07/2024 18:06

This c particular police officer had a firearm

Had been injured and was maybe disoriented from the savage beating he had just endured

There's no training for that situation

Try carrying on with YOUR job after being attacked in that way

KekseKekse · 28/07/2024 18:22

No matter what happened previously, a policeman should not behave like drunken job on a Saturday night out and deliberately kick someone in the face and stamp on their head!

Or is that type of action now in their personal defence training? I think not!

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 18:26

KekseKekse · 28/07/2024 18:22

No matter what happened previously, a policeman should not behave like drunken job on a Saturday night out and deliberately kick someone in the face and stamp on their head!

Or is that type of action now in their personal defence training? I think not!

They were lucky not to face an armed officer who would use their weapon

As they likely would in other countries

leamington66 · 28/07/2024 18:32

Given they attacked armed officers then a very physical response is expected. Lucky not to be shot.
I recall the criticism of Greater Manchester Police after the bombing so I think a reaction was expected.

KekseKekse · 28/07/2024 18:33

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You do know that lots of us with a brown skin were born here, right. So the people involved in the brawl are likely to be as well. So what's with the spouting off about deportations? Or is it an automatic racist response?

Arafina · 28/07/2024 19:07

IMustDoMoreExercise · 28/07/2024 11:56

Are you a police officer that has been repeatedly punched???

Until you are, you know nothing.

I have already made a post regarding my own experience of violence through work, as I said It's not only the police that have to deal with violence towards them during their working day but most of us including most police manage not to kick people in the face and stomp on their heads. I am not excusing for a minute the behaviour of the perpetrators but that doesn't mean that Mr Angry can let loose

DownNative · 28/07/2024 19:12

The family involved have now parted ways with their solicitor, Akhmed Yakoob who has some questionable views including misogyny and antisemitism amongst others according to various accounts.

Anyway, you'll find that nugget of info in a BBC article.

ChesterDrawz · 28/07/2024 19:12

KekseKekse · 28/07/2024 18:22

No matter what happened previously, a policeman should not behave like drunken job on a Saturday night out and deliberately kick someone in the face and stamp on their head!

Or is that type of action now in their personal defence training? I think not!

The police officer did not know the violent animal had been tasered as he was facing the opposite way. He needed to make sure they did not start attacking again and risk losing his gun.

The police were extremely restrained in their response. In my opinion they should have drawn their guns and used them to protect the public and themselves from their guns being taken from them, which would have been absolutely devastating.