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Not trying to be inflammatory but why do people *need* more than two kids?

365 replies

ConstantlyFuriosa · 27/07/2024 05:01

Just that.

OP posts:
LlynTegid · 27/07/2024 07:08

If the question is about child benefit and universal credit eligibility, why punish the children because of the decisions of one or more adults. Some larger families may come about because of coercive control of the father and/or a refusal to use certain contraception.

MissedItByThisMuch · 27/07/2024 07:11

TheHeadOfTheHouse · 27/07/2024 06:12

From what I’ve observed from knowing families with 3 or more children is that they aren’t brought up properly imo.

yeah they do extra activities and go on holidays, but that doesn't mean the child’s wellbeing and needs are fulfilled.

with each child people have, the parents standard of care declines. I don’t believe you can have 3 or more children and fulfil all their needs and shape them into a well rounded, decent, unscathed adult.

Things get missed the more children you have like:

  • dental hygiene
  • personal hygiene
  • clean bedding, clothing etc
  • the child being able to have their own bedroom (this becomes really important as they reach puberty)
  • helping with homework and extra needs children may have like speech therapy etc
  • one to one time with their parents
  • shoes and clothes that aren’t handed down and fit properly.
  • teaching children things like manners, respect etc

The things above take up a hell of a lot of time and there’s no way they’re done properly with more than 2 children.

Seriously. Just fuck right off with your stupid, ignorant, judgemental bullshit. Maybe YOU can’t do all those (fairly fucking minimal) things properly, but I assure you my 4 private school and now university educated young adult children are and were perfectly hygienic, got any medical/paramedical care they needed, clean bedding (ffs 🙄), their own bedrooms, and have excellent manners. The only one of your list they “suffered” was wearing hand-me-downs. They seem to have pulled through that without too much damage.

Itsmyshadow · 27/07/2024 07:11

Yumyumm · 27/07/2024 05:37

The people I know with 3+ kids are shm and don't have careers. I often get the feeling they're trying to fill a void - they're bored/lonely etc and can't afford the children they have, but keep going anyway. People on here will shoot me down, but I don't know any women with 4 kids that's got a great job!
One person I know has 8 kids!! Though they can afford it as her husband earns enough.

We have 3 kids and both work in professional jobs.

To the OP, we have three as just didn’t feel done after two and wanted another. I feel no guilt for wider society as we receive no benefits and the two who are school age are model pupils.

We’re the sought of family society should be encouraging to have more children but who often doesn’t.

SloaneStreetVandal · 27/07/2024 07:11

I doubt there will ever come a time when the cap can be lifted, it's here to stay.

The issue is being politicised at the moment, the SNP tabled it because they're running scared of Labour ousting them in the next Scottish elections.

SwingTheMonkey · 27/07/2024 07:14

EmmaGrundyForPM · 27/07/2024 06:43

@SwingTheMonkey I think the OP is referring to the benefit cap,ie why do people who rely on benefits choose to have more than two children. Not people like you.

My response was both based on an op which said, simply, ‘just that’ so no mention of the benefits cap when I responded and a pp who asked why people didn’t stop and consider whether they could afford more children after having their first. I’d not have mentioned my own personal circumstances had it not been for that particular post.

SwingTheMonkey · 27/07/2024 07:18

RampantIvy · 27/07/2024 07:02

There are a lot of wealthy posters on mumsnet these days.

Are wealthy posters not welcome? Was there a form I should have filled in detailing our household income before I signed up?

Carebearsonmybed · 27/07/2024 07:18

I felt a need to have DCs because I have no other family.

You will find that adults who've been in care have more DCs than the general population.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 27/07/2024 07:21

TheOriginalEmu · 27/07/2024 05:35

I had 2, then accidentally got pregnant with twins, after that I didn’t the point in worrying about it, so I had number 5. Then they whipped out my uterus which is probably a good thing or I’d be living in a shoe.

🤣🥰

TheHeadOfTheHouse · 27/07/2024 07:22

MissedItByThisMuch · 27/07/2024 07:11

Seriously. Just fuck right off with your stupid, ignorant, judgemental bullshit. Maybe YOU can’t do all those (fairly fucking minimal) things properly, but I assure you my 4 private school and now university educated young adult children are and were perfectly hygienic, got any medical/paramedical care they needed, clean bedding (ffs 🙄), their own bedrooms, and have excellent manners. The only one of your list they “suffered” was wearing hand-me-downs. They seem to have pulled through that without too much damage.

Did I touch a nerve?

ANiceCuppaTeaandBiscuit · 27/07/2024 07:23

Benefits never factored into our decision on how many children to have, we don’t claim any. Our 2 child cap was based on my age. Unfortunately in London by the time you’ve bought the big house and have the space and money for lots of children and a nice lifestyle for them time is running against you.

MissedItByThisMuch · 27/07/2024 07:23

TheHeadOfTheHouse · 27/07/2024 07:22

Did I touch a nerve?

😂 Why do people think this is a clever comeback?? It really really isn’t.

OlympicProcrastinator · 27/07/2024 07:24

TheHeadOfTheHouse · 27/07/2024 06:12

From what I’ve observed from knowing families with 3 or more children is that they aren’t brought up properly imo.

yeah they do extra activities and go on holidays, but that doesn't mean the child’s wellbeing and needs are fulfilled.

with each child people have, the parents standard of care declines. I don’t believe you can have 3 or more children and fulfil all their needs and shape them into a well rounded, decent, unscathed adult.

Things get missed the more children you have like:

  • dental hygiene
  • personal hygiene
  • clean bedding, clothing etc
  • the child being able to have their own bedroom (this becomes really important as they reach puberty)
  • helping with homework and extra needs children may have like speech therapy etc
  • one to one time with their parents
  • shoes and clothes that aren’t handed down and fit properly.
  • teaching children things like manners, respect etc

The things above take up a hell of a lot of time and there’s no way they’re done properly with more than 2 children.

It sounds like there is no way YOU could do that. I’m sure being so incompetent makes you bitter and judgemental toward other families that can.

If you don’t know any families with 3 + that hold good careers and look after their homes and families to high standard, I expect it’s because they choose not to associate with incompetent, judgmental cretins like you.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 27/07/2024 07:24

SwingTheMonkey · 27/07/2024 07:18

Are wealthy posters not welcome? Was there a form I should have filled in detailing our household income before I signed up?

If you find the form, please DM with it as I can not seem to find it anywhere on here.

I will also just to give proof send MN our accountants tax calculations.

Hope that this helps the posters worries.

Marcipex · 27/07/2024 07:26

My parents kept trying for a boy. I suspect there’s a lot of that.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 27/07/2024 07:26

TheHeadOfTheHouse · 27/07/2024 07:22

Did I touch a nerve?

No I did not touch a nerve.

Just shocked that someone could make themselves look so stupid by writing such bile.

Tibssix · 27/07/2024 07:28

SwingTheMonkey · 27/07/2024 07:18

Are wealthy posters not welcome? Was there a form I should have filled in detailing our household income before I signed up?

😆

Youcantcallacatspider · 27/07/2024 07:28

A thread on a message board for women, berating women and spouting misconceptions and trying to exert control over how a woman exercises the most beautiful, vital, unique and powerful thing that she is capable of..... Just..... ick...

Nogain · 27/07/2024 07:29

I only have 1, but I celebrate the diversity of experiences that comes from a society that allows different sized families.

KimberleyClark · 27/07/2024 07:30

EmmaGrundyForPM · 27/07/2024 06:43

@SwingTheMonkey I think the OP is referring to the benefit cap,ie why do people who rely on benefits choose to have more than two children. Not people like you.

I think for some people new relationship = new baby. Regardless of how many they already have. Like it’s not a proper relationship otherwise.

marshmallowboy · 27/07/2024 07:30

TheHeadOfTheHouse · 27/07/2024 06:12

From what I’ve observed from knowing families with 3 or more children is that they aren’t brought up properly imo.

yeah they do extra activities and go on holidays, but that doesn't mean the child’s wellbeing and needs are fulfilled.

with each child people have, the parents standard of care declines. I don’t believe you can have 3 or more children and fulfil all their needs and shape them into a well rounded, decent, unscathed adult.

Things get missed the more children you have like:

  • dental hygiene
  • personal hygiene
  • clean bedding, clothing etc
  • the child being able to have their own bedroom (this becomes really important as they reach puberty)
  • helping with homework and extra needs children may have like speech therapy etc
  • one to one time with their parents
  • shoes and clothes that aren’t handed down and fit properly.
  • teaching children things like manners, respect etc

The things above take up a hell of a lot of time and there’s no way they’re done properly with more than 2 children.

Hehe.
I'll let my 3 adult children ( lawyer, self-employed and economist) and their younger sibling at a selective high school know about that.
They also have fabulous teeth and won't leave the house without showering of a morning.
What else was on your list?
2 have done speech therapy when young
Always new shoes, some hand me down clothes ( didn't know this was terrible)
Super respectful or I don't think they would have the jobs they have.

You seem a bit silly . Where you one of many?

marshmallowboy · 27/07/2024 07:32

*Were

Dominoeffecter · 27/07/2024 07:34

TheOriginalEmu · 27/07/2024 05:21

Me too. It’s bloody hilarious trying to keep 5 under 6 alive, I highly recommend it as therapy if you’re sad, just sacrifice sanity, financial stability, personal space, any notion of quiet and pelvic floor and you too can have the funniest time!

You’ve certainly taken on a lot

Sugarsugarahhoneyhoney · 27/07/2024 07:34

Why does it matter how.many kids someone has? Unless of course they can't look after them properly.

Boomer55 · 27/07/2024 07:35

Nobody needs kids - it’s a lifestyle choice.🤷‍♀️

Seymour5 · 27/07/2024 07:35

SwingTheMonkey · 27/07/2024 05:27

We did ask ourselves that. Luckily the answer was yes. We’ve 4 children, all at private school and we’re currently on a 3 week holiday, so I’d say our kids were doing ok.

Not everyone with more than 2 kids is living on the breadline.

When we had our DC, we weren’t big earners, so we stopped at two. My friend, who was a doctor, married to a doctor, had four. Their income was much higher and more reliable than ours.

There were no top up benefits years ago, it was a case of we lived on what we earned. As @Strawberrycheesecake7 says, larger families are fine for those who can afford to support them, even more so now with the dearth of social housing.

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