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Yalta · 26/07/2024 21:27

ZoeCM · 26/07/2024 16:05

I actually think that jailing them won’t work as they will wear it as a badge of honour

I disagree. I think Cressida, having grown up in a mansion and been privately educated, is going to get a truly gigantic culture shock in prison. I doubt it'll take long before she's thinking "Oh fuck, I really didn't think this through, did I?"

It will be a culture shock at first but then once out , it will make her a “celebrity” in the JSO organisation

Listentogold · 26/07/2024 21:39

Has any man from this group been jailed.
Has he had this abuse against him.
I'm not saying she shouldn't have been jailed.
In fact 4 years isn't long enough now I've read about people
getting delayed going to the hospital, funerals etc.

dottiehens · 26/07/2024 21:58

Karma got the best of her. I have not sympathy and the mother lacks of self awareness.

User8646382 · 26/07/2024 21:58

Yalta · 26/07/2024 21:27

It will be a culture shock at first but then once out , it will make her a “celebrity” in the JSO organisation

I would bet a million quid that Cressida never wants to hear the word ‘oil’ again after four years in the nick.

By then reality will have sunk in big time and the smug look on her earnest little face will be long gone. Good job mum and dad are loaded as I doubt people will be queuing up to employ her.

dottiehens · 26/07/2024 22:04

Pootles34 · 26/07/2024 17:00

The fact that her daughter is going to prison for four years, and her main issue is that she's going to miss her son's wedding, is frankly hilarious.

I know this is unbelievable. 😂

OrwellianTimes · 26/07/2024 22:05

Anewuser · 26/07/2024 11:21

It was her brother’s speech that was even worse.

The hypocrisy that she would have flown to be at his wedding.

Please could someone of the 15% give their opinion because I was sure this would be 100% agreeing with OP.

So she’s achieved her goal then? Reduction of oil usage.

Grandmasswagbag · 26/07/2024 22:12

I haven't read much about this other than the protestors had been jailed. 4 years !!?? I was thinking 4 months would be harsh. I'm completely on the fence about these guys. Yes on a human level they are annoying, but also in 10 years time we will be looking back wondering why no one listened to them. How can they go to prison for 4 years when actual violent criminals would serve the same/less?

CormorantStrikesBack · 26/07/2024 22:13

Izzynohopanda · 26/07/2024 15:52

Do you think her brothers wedding will be targeted? If so, that’s a little unfair on them.

There’s a lot of people on TikTok saying they will. They know which country/city and are trying to get more details. Might be hot air.

CormorantStrikesBack · 26/07/2024 22:16

I wonder what her nickname in prison will be? Maybe Dick (Cressida dick) or Olive (oil).

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 22:21

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 21:14

Cautious, why are you so adamant that this sentence has come as some kind of unexpected, unpleasant surprise to Cressida? It really didn't. When statements reference 'injustice' it doesn't mean that the sentence itself was unexpected.

Just in the years since the gantry-climb, JSO activists have been arrested, worn tags, faced deportation, spent time as remand prisoners (including CG herself), and served lengthy custodial sentences. In a hardening political climate, and in the face of new public order legislation, activists were aware of new precedents for long sentences being set as well as the maximum sentence length.

JSO isn't some kind of shady, secretive outfit: anyone can sign up for an introductory zoom call via a link on the very public website, where, incidentally, they also publish details of activists' arrests, court appearances and sentences alongside campaigning successes such as acquittals, releases from prison and, most importantly, policy change.

No idea why I warranted the patronising TedTalk. I don’t need to be lecture on JSO activities as I am neither stupid nor naive. I’ve been a peaceful protestor myself in the past.

Cressida and her colleagues had all received multiple sentences previously. All resulted in suspended sentences, fines and community service. Of course she and her confederates had no idea a 4 or 5 year sentence would be handed down. Their experience has taught them that feigning contrition, flashing their virtue or, in her case, her superior education and musical talent would serve as mitigating factors. The presiding Judge was very clear he was having none of it.

Thelnebriati · 26/07/2024 22:29

CormorantStrikesBack · 26/07/2024 22:16

I wonder what her nickname in prison will be? Maybe Dick (Cressida dick) or Olive (oil).

Maybe Eggy (egg and cress sarnie).

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 22:29

Grandmasswagbag · 26/07/2024 22:12

I haven't read much about this other than the protestors had been jailed. 4 years !!?? I was thinking 4 months would be harsh. I'm completely on the fence about these guys. Yes on a human level they are annoying, but also in 10 years time we will be looking back wondering why no one listened to them. How can they go to prison for 4 years when actual violent criminals would serve the same/less?

80%+ of the population agree that climate matters need tackling urgently. JSO has done bugger all to move this up the political agenda - all they’ve done is alienate people who agree/support what they are campaigning for. They’ve distracted government from the actual issue by making public order and policing of these protests a front page headline.

People will not look back on these people and think ‘ah, they had it right. What heroes. Why didn’t we listen?’ Because we already appreciate the message. And blocking the motorway, impacting people’s health and livelihoods has done nothing to affect climate change.

Until China et al change their behaviours, until we (as a nation) stop buying their goods and importing them, anything we do here in the UK is largely tinkering around the edges.

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 22:30

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 22:21

No idea why I warranted the patronising TedTalk. I don’t need to be lecture on JSO activities as I am neither stupid nor naive. I’ve been a peaceful protestor myself in the past.

Cressida and her colleagues had all received multiple sentences previously. All resulted in suspended sentences, fines and community service. Of course she and her confederates had no idea a 4 or 5 year sentence would be handed down. Their experience has taught them that feigning contrition, flashing their virtue or, in her case, her superior education and musical talent would serve as mitigating factors. The presiding Judge was very clear he was having none of it.

I apologise. I thought your 19:24 post was in response to my previous post. But my three paragraphs in response to your three paragraphs (even if they weren't aimed at me) hardly qualify as a "patronising TedTalk", do they?

Izzynohopanda · 26/07/2024 23:27

I hadn’t realised that this wasn’t Cressida first offence, so it’s not like she was unaware of what could happen. I guess she thought it was a jolly jape, and people like her don’t get jailed.

AmateurDad · 26/07/2024 23:40

OhHelloMiss · 26/07/2024 11:12

I don't care at all

I work in a prison and see prisoners miss out on things everyday.

She's nobody special

Er, well, she is, because she committed her crime out of concern for the planet…. Which is somewhat uncommon…

Hangingupnow · 26/07/2024 23:52

Why are these protesters always very middle class and from moneyed backgrounds?

GoFigure235 · 26/07/2024 23:59

Personally I think the JSO protestors should have been charged with multiple counts of false imprisonment, as that's essentially what they did to the people they trapped on the M25. The statutory maximum sentence is life imprisonment so 4/5 years doesn't seem excessive.

They should also be sued civilly for all the loss/damage/wasted time they caused. Actions have consequences.

Zone2NorthLondon · 27/07/2024 00:48

AmateurDad · 26/07/2024 23:40

Er, well, she is, because she committed her crime out of concern for the planet…. Which is somewhat uncommon…

No, she’s wholly unremarkable
are you insinuating shes hierarchically superior in criminality because she’s JSO?
Your presumption of class superiority in and out of jail is questionable

AmateurDad · 27/07/2024 00:50

Zone2NorthLondon · 27/07/2024 00:48

No, she’s wholly unremarkable
are you insinuating shes hierarchically superior in criminality because she’s JSO?
Your presumption of class superiority in and out of jail is questionable

No, she is not at all unremarkable, as I already explained. But I never suggested she was "superior"; that came from you.

SocksAndTheCity · 27/07/2024 00:58

Hangingupnow · 26/07/2024 23:52

Why are these protesters always very middle class and from moneyed backgrounds?

Because everybody else has to use the majority of their time and energy earning a living and attending to their personal responsibilities, not helped by the better efforts of these smug, privileged self-awareness vacuums and their fuckwit pals.

MorvernBlack · 27/07/2024 01:17

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 13:53

Oh my days, this thread is rife with a kind of weird delighting in making shit up about someone nobody actually knows and extrapolating on details to get in a lather about.

@User8646382 for instance: "See, this is what happens when people don’t have any real worries in life. They get bored and have to invent them."

I'd argue that the climate emergency is about as real a worry as they come!? It is unfolding, in real time, in real places, to real people, as we speak and the real privilege is being able to ‐for now‐ not give a shit and carry on, business as usual, as many posters on the JSO related threads of the last few days. We, through no merit other than the luck of our birth, live in one of the places on the planet where the changes in the climate are yet to be experienced fully. Bully for us. Some, like Cressida, are able to hold hard and uncomfortable truths about how the lifestyle choices of citizens of Western growth economies impact the lives of those in other parts of the world whose carbon impact is negligible, and attempt to effect change.

Ditto lots of chat in the "her posh mates", "privately educated" inverted snobbery vein. What is wrong with people, when we're more irritated by a 22-year old making a life-changing decision and facing the consequences thereof, than the fact that the climate is changing with irrevocable impact on the natural world and all the beings who depend on it, and that fossil fuel giants are continuing to rake it in and dangerously and cynically impact government policy for their own gain, gambling with our children's futures. That's the real class (and race) issue to unpick, not Cressida's Herefordshire upbringing. Who's the bigger crook?

Edited

Totally agree with you.
Actually can't believe some of these replies, threatening to throw paint at her brothers wedding and so on. Really?!

ZoeCM · 27/07/2024 01:31

MorvernBlack · 27/07/2024 01:17

Totally agree with you.
Actually can't believe some of these replies, threatening to throw paint at her brothers wedding and so on. Really?!

I genuinely don't understand why you can't believe people are threatening to throw paint at her brother's wedding? If it's okay to throw paint or soup at Stonehenge or Van Gogh's Sunflowers, why not at a wedding venue? The family would have to be utter hypocrites to support Cressida but object to someone disrupting the wedding. Throwing paint at a wedding won't kill anyone; stopping people from getting to cancer treatment sessions quite possibly will.

AIstolemylunch · 27/07/2024 07:12

She womt serve anywhere near 4 years! Did you read the judgement? Even the judge said you will server at least half of the sentence i have given you. Plus there was a time already served component. She'll be in a low security prison for about 9 or 10 months, then day release, then parole by not much more than a year. If she has any sense she'll spend the time doing something useful like a masters or finishing her degree is she didnt graduate. Im sure shell actually spend the time writing about climate chnage and as a PP said, she'll be ahero to the movement by the time she comes out and walks into a ready made job working in the activism industry. Not much more than a gap year for her in reality.

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/07/2024 08:17

Hangingupnow · 26/07/2024 23:52

Why are these protesters always very middle class and from moneyed backgrounds?

Because those are the people with the time and energy to do it, as they aren't being forced to work all hours and have earning as their top priority lest they suffer catastrophe. The suffragettes were middle class and moneyed; when were working class women supposed to be able to attend protests, and why would voting be their priority when they couldn't even rely on being securely housed?

Bodeganights · 27/07/2024 09:42

macaroniandcheeze · 26/07/2024 14:53

Do you really think that JSO are wholly responsible for this, rather than the government and society that causes these sorts of lives in the first place??

Are jso responsible for poverty, God no. Deffo government for that.
Still jso carried on with the protests that affected the poverty stricken people way more than rich people.
If jso were truly bothered by this fact, they could campaign for more money, better more local services, some form of transport for the most needy at the protest sites, some massive advertising campaign that told everyone they would block the roads so try and move your appointments, make a different way to work, oh I could go on.
Jso didn't do anything like that so I can only assume they dont care. If they dont care about people losing pay, missing important appointments and funerals, I cant bring myself to care either.

And yes I get that advertising the blockades would have ended up preventing the blockades. But you know they are way cleverer than me, they could figure something out.