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cauliflowercheeseplease · 26/07/2024 17:29

Katie Hopkins has done a video about this, absolutely hilarious!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/07/2024 17:40

I think most young people recognise the danger the planet is in

Maybe, or perhaps - lacking mature judgement and experience - they're just very susceptible to the excitement created by a fashionable cause and want to join it for the SM "likes" from their peers

In fairness, though, at least they're not usually getting paid to spout their ill digested cant, which makes a pleasant change from all those sucking at the climate funding teat in some ridiculous attempt to frighten us all to death

User8646382 · 26/07/2024 17:42

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 16:50

Not relevant to Cressida's brother's wedding at all, as you well know, but literally responding to your comment @-ing me, suggesting I'm Cressida's mum. So no need for that PA 'stupid Northerner' shit.

Well there’s no need to lower the tone, I’m sure.

MillyCentTap · 26/07/2024 17:49

One thing is for sure - her expensive education won’t help her survive this.

If she was a boarder it will have stood her in fairly good stead for prison.

scalt · 26/07/2024 17:57

MillyCentTap · 26/07/2024 17:49

One thing is for sure - her expensive education won’t help her survive this.

If she was a boarder it will have stood her in fairly good stead for prison.

This is even mentioned in Porridge.

Posh prisoner: I'm used to this sort of food, I went to Harrow.
Fletcher: Good advert for public school, it prepares you for the nick.

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 18:11

@CautiousLurker, right, really need to know now where everyone is getting the information about the brother's wedding. I haven't managed to find anything to support claims that it's a destination wedding or that it's going to max out on carbon. It's almost as if it's made up to perpetuate a stereotype.

And generally, as for the imperative of ideological purity and hypocrisy-hunting, which is always popular on threads like these; this kind of thinking keeps us all in a position of disempowered grudging. We can't win so what's the point in trying to do better? XR, IB and JSO are not imploring Tom on his daily commute to change his habits, but are hoping to influence government policy. There is literally no point in dismissing each other as hypocrites when we have enormous fish to fry on a global level.

Ponoka7 · 26/07/2024 18:17

She's got more of a sentence than a man who broke into his ex's house, smacked her children awake. Assaulted the male babysitter enough to put him in hospital and then had a very distressed primary age child phone the ex, slapped her and forced her to tell the ex what would happen to them if she didn't get home. It's been non stop light sentences for very violent men because of a lack of prison places. Those in possession of child abuse images don't even get a custodial. But I've now seen three non violent women get much longer sentences. I don't think it's cause to celebrate.

Ciderisrosier · 26/07/2024 18:23

I can’t take JSO seriously and I don’t know anyone who does. Which is a shame because their message is lost in attention seeking behaviour.

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 18:31

Ponoka7 · 26/07/2024 18:17

She's got more of a sentence than a man who broke into his ex's house, smacked her children awake. Assaulted the male babysitter enough to put him in hospital and then had a very distressed primary age child phone the ex, slapped her and forced her to tell the ex what would happen to them if she didn't get home. It's been non stop light sentences for very violent men because of a lack of prison places. Those in possession of child abuse images don't even get a custodial. But I've now seen three non violent women get much longer sentences. I don't think it's cause to celebrate.

Different issue - but totally agree this man should have been locked up indefinitely. No idea why/how they released him,

FrippEnos · 26/07/2024 18:37

Ponoka7 · 26/07/2024 18:17

She's got more of a sentence than a man who broke into his ex's house, smacked her children awake. Assaulted the male babysitter enough to put him in hospital and then had a very distressed primary age child phone the ex, slapped her and forced her to tell the ex what would happen to them if she didn't get home. It's been non stop light sentences for very violent men because of a lack of prison places. Those in possession of child abuse images don't even get a custodial. But I've now seen three non violent women get much longer sentences. I don't think it's cause to celebrate.

The problem there is that the sentence is too short. Not that this one is too long

User8646382 · 26/07/2024 18:45

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 18:11

@CautiousLurker, right, really need to know now where everyone is getting the information about the brother's wedding. I haven't managed to find anything to support claims that it's a destination wedding or that it's going to max out on carbon. It's almost as if it's made up to perpetuate a stereotype.

And generally, as for the imperative of ideological purity and hypocrisy-hunting, which is always popular on threads like these; this kind of thinking keeps us all in a position of disempowered grudging. We can't win so what's the point in trying to do better? XR, IB and JSO are not imploring Tom on his daily commute to change his habits, but are hoping to influence government policy. There is literally no point in dismissing each other as hypocrites when we have enormous fish to fry on a global level.

‘Ideological purity’? ‘Hypocrisy-hunting’? ‘Disempowered grudging’?!!!

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/07/2024 18:46

XR, IB and JSO are not imploring Tom on his daily commute to change his habits, but are hoping to influence government policy

This is true, even though Tom on his daily commute is exactly the sort who pays the price they extract

But Tom and millions more like him are the very ones who elect the government, and if they're mostly pissed off by the extremists' actions they're not likely to be very sympathetic to a government seen to be dancing to the tune of XR, JSO and the rest

All of which is why the activists need to carry the greater public with them if they hope to succeed - and so far it's simply not happening

SoreAndTired1 · 26/07/2024 18:51

Maddy70 · 26/07/2024 16:29

Thats exactly what it is ....

Wrong. That is destruction and violence. Not 'peaceful'.

AudHvamm · 26/07/2024 19:02

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 12:52

YABU for turning to the Express for news.

I don't get the impression that Mrs Gethin is 'moaning' about her daughter missing her brother's wedding; she's stating a fact, illustrating that like many others inconvenienced by the actions of JSO's action, Cressida too is now unable to take part in something the family would have been looking forward too.

Not saying it makes it any easier for those who did not consent to be inconvenienced as a result of the gantry climbing. But we do need to square with ourselves that our collective over-consumption of fossil fuels is inconveniencing millions of non-consenting men, women and children in the global South to the point of displacement due to famine, flood and conflict. I work with displaced families seeking asylum in the UK on grounds which can be traced back to the climate emergency and anthropogenic climate change. Their whole lives ravaged. No-one asked them if they'd mind finding themselves at the sharp, hot, flooded, hungry, war-torn end of our lifestyle choices.

There is no chance that Cressida did not anticipate arrest and the likelihood of a custodial sentence as a result of her direct action and civil disobedience. It is a critical part of pre-action briefing to ensure participants of protests of this kind are able to proceed, or not, fully informed of the likely legal impact of their actions. Nobody is allowed to proceed without having been fully briefed. These are acts of civil conscientious objection. This is also why there are trained legal observers present at many protests; arrests are expected and it is important to ensure advocacy and detailed documentation of the course of events. Not to try to avoid arrest, as these are often inevitable and planned for, but to ensure accurate representation. Cressida would have been 100% aware that this was a likely outcome, and she did it anyway. So the gleeful ner-ner-neh-ner-ner at the long custodial sentence is neither here nor there.

Well said. I completely agree and welcome an alternative viewpoint to the vindictive tone and selfish disinterest of other posters on here.

Redgreenfroggy · 26/07/2024 19:10

Maybe little miss privileged will learn the world does not revolve around her. Plus her vile mother will hopefully get a dose of the real world.

my sympathy is with the people who missed important things or even did not get to say goodbye to loved one or the sick people needed the ambulances that could not get through.

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 19:24

Sorry, but I totally disagree - Cressy was only cognisant of the risk in the same way people who speed on the roads are aware that if they are caught they will get charged and could, maybe, lose their licence. And if it comes to court a good sob story and lawyer will get them off.

In no way at all did she think that she would charged or sentenced in this way. Mummy and daddy have been there applauding her behaviour, and meeting with the headmaster to remind them how much they were paying in fees, whenever she overstepped. I say this as one such parent (the HM meetings) with parent friends like this (roll eyes).

That said, I still have no compassion. If she believes in the cause so vehemently, if her family support her in her activism, then these are the consequences. She may come out of prison with new awareness of the real world and a new cause.

Fizbosshoes · 26/07/2024 20:15

I think a 4 year prison sentence seems harsh

However (to me) it seems counter intuitive to create the type of disruption that would have created way more emissions and pollution...in the name of climate change....People taking detours, being stuck for hours potentially with their engines idling, delivery lorries needing to keep food/materials at a certain temp (some of which may have perished/got wasted) .
Same when some prat decides to glue themselves to a train or block a bus lane....the result - probably people taking ubers or cabs...how is that helping the cause...??

While most sensible people are aware of the climate emergency they're also thinking of their kids immediate future ....like next week - they need to go to work to earn money to put a roof over their head and food on the table now, they probably can't afford to take 3 days off to sit in a road or climb a motorway gantry.

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 20:19

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/07/2024 18:46

XR, IB and JSO are not imploring Tom on his daily commute to change his habits, but are hoping to influence government policy

This is true, even though Tom on his daily commute is exactly the sort who pays the price they extract

But Tom and millions more like him are the very ones who elect the government, and if they're mostly pissed off by the extremists' actions they're not likely to be very sympathetic to a government seen to be dancing to the tune of XR, JSO and the rest

All of which is why the activists need to carry the greater public with them if they hope to succeed - and so far it's simply not happening

You are right, of course, in that the public elects its leaders and that public backlash is a massive issue. People feel hectored and perceive that someone ‐woe betide them if they're a bit posh or fail the hypocrisy test‐ is 'telling them what to do'. I'm not sure how we get around it ‐it feels a bit hopeless when we're seeing the impact of a heating climate unfold on a global stage but seem to find it so hard to focus on the real obstacles to progress. And it's not JSO, whatever we may think of their campaign strategies.

I honestly think this is going to be one of the greatest tragedies going forward: we'll start reaching tipping points of increasing significance, and it'll be too late when it dawns on us that the climate emergency didn't care whether we felt impinged upon by 'worthy' types suggesting the government stop issuing oil licences, and we were busy slagging off someone's mum on a parenting forum.

holju · 26/07/2024 20:22

I don't agree with the methods used by JSO but the gloating on here and in the media over the prison sentence is horrible.

BeavisMcTavish · 26/07/2024 20:31

popthepopcorns · 26/07/2024 16:29

How unutterably depressing that only 20% of people (even here, on Mumsnet, where the level of education is ostensibly higher than average) have any understanding of the impending climate emergency.

The word 'emergency' isn't hyperbole. We are on the brink of catastrophe.
Insects are disappearing, bird and animal species are becoming extinct, the few remaining forests are still being cleared... people keep buying crap from Shein and driving around cities in SUVs - and this poor girl is the problem?

Bloody hell, wake up!

Oh, do fuck off will you, it’s exactly this kind of ‘I’m more intelligent and insightful than you’ which turns people off the JSO bell ends.

Izzynohopanda · 26/07/2024 20:39

commonground · 26/07/2024 16:39

Gosh, what a great statement by the mum. I really feel for her. She mentioned the wedding to paint a picture of a regular family girl and an example of what she will miss.

She is right, btw. No one is listening. We are screwed. If we had another 100 years to effect change we might be OK. But we don't.

And what about all the events, appointments, etc the regular people missed due to her actions. She may be a ‘regular family girl ’ but that doesn’t excuse her actions. If being a ‘regular family person’ was a defence, then most people wouldn’t be in prison.

UniversalAunt · 26/07/2024 20:39

Has Cressida’s brother spoken up on her behalf?
If so, he has brought himself up for media scrutiny & with that comes the ‘court’ of public opinion.

If he’s not muttered a squeak about the judgement & sentencing, then he is keeping a low & private profile.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/07/2024 20:54

holju · 26/07/2024 20:22

I don't agree with the methods used by JSO but the gloating on here and in the media over the prison sentence is horrible.

They didn't even receive the maximum they could've. They were repeat offenders. They refused to stop. They aren't above the law. I'll reserve horrible for the people who missed funerals, cancer treatment and all the other stuff suffered at the hands of JSO goons. It was very horrible for them.

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 21:14

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 19:24

Sorry, but I totally disagree - Cressy was only cognisant of the risk in the same way people who speed on the roads are aware that if they are caught they will get charged and could, maybe, lose their licence. And if it comes to court a good sob story and lawyer will get them off.

In no way at all did she think that she would charged or sentenced in this way. Mummy and daddy have been there applauding her behaviour, and meeting with the headmaster to remind them how much they were paying in fees, whenever she overstepped. I say this as one such parent (the HM meetings) with parent friends like this (roll eyes).

That said, I still have no compassion. If she believes in the cause so vehemently, if her family support her in her activism, then these are the consequences. She may come out of prison with new awareness of the real world and a new cause.

Cautious, why are you so adamant that this sentence has come as some kind of unexpected, unpleasant surprise to Cressida? It really didn't. When statements reference 'injustice' it doesn't mean that the sentence itself was unexpected.

Just in the years since the gantry-climb, JSO activists have been arrested, worn tags, faced deportation, spent time as remand prisoners (including CG herself), and served lengthy custodial sentences. In a hardening political climate, and in the face of new public order legislation, activists were aware of new precedents for long sentences being set as well as the maximum sentence length.

JSO isn't some kind of shady, secretive outfit: anyone can sign up for an introductory zoom call via a link on the very public website, where, incidentally, they also publish details of activists' arrests, court appearances and sentences alongside campaigning successes such as acquittals, releases from prison and, most importantly, policy change.

Allfur · 26/07/2024 21:15

Given how active and defensive the vat on private school threads were on mumsnet, I'm surprised there's so much hate for cressida on here

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