To think it’s completely and utterly unacceptable for men to compete in women’s sports?

[SwainedFreed]

How the hell is this being allowed! I’ve seen the volume of medals they are earning - medals which should be earned by women. Men and women are not physically comparable and this is just a line which once again shouldn’t be crossed.

Eddie Izzard isn’t and never will be a “she” despite what he would like people to call him. Just because he was likeable as a man, doesn’t mean we have to allow him to share a bathroom or a sport with us.

Speak for yourself.

I think he's a dick.

Same

Agreed.

Men's bodies will always be more powerful and it is completely unfair for women to have to compete against male athletes.

I have nothing against people transitioning but the process is never going to magically give you the body (muscles, bones, height) of a woman. You can't change these characteristics.

It is just common sense.

I do think female competitors should unite and simply refuse to take part in the competition process while this is going on.

Sport literally has all the separate categories to create a level playing field and fair competition

You can't self identify as disabled to compete in the paralympics....because that would be unfair.

You can't self identify as a 16 year old to compete in the U18 category....because that would be unfair

You can't self identify as a flyweight boxer...because that would be unfair

...And the same level of unfairness happens if men identify as women....but in some cases that's deemed to be ok....

I think the people who don’t care also don’t care about sport. so you are going to struggle to get them to engage. then there are the many who are happy to see women btrought down a peg or two.
So most don’t think you can change sex but many don’t care when it happens,sadly.

That's is what is so so baffling about how this has managed to happen? Can anyone shed any light on the history of how we got here? Were we too kind?

There must have been a point where the narrative changed from “I feel like a woman and I would appreciate it if you treated me like one as far as is reasonable” to “I feel like a woman and therefore I am a woman”. Shall we call it the Descartes delusion?
Id be fascinated to see exactly when this happened and how it gained traction.

The GRA

Which allows people to change their sex to the opposite of their biological sex on their legal documents.

Making the argument for biological women's Sports became a bit harder at that point.

Virtually no one was paying attention then though. It was seen as something that would impact minuscule amounts of people.

I think you’ve picked the wrong man for someone that women ‘all love’

We don’t. And even more a fair few of us don’t want him in our spaces and sports

Yes as @TheKeatingFive says it’s legislation created in 2004

Incredibly poor and damaging to women and girls

I'll extend - it is totally unacceptable for those with Y chromosome to compete against X chromosomes in sport. Seeing how 'man' and 'woman' is somehow confusing to some people.

The only reason that many sports have reverse ferreted from this nonsense is because women have protested. Why on earth certain posters are implying that all is well and it's just a media / internet issue I can't imagine.
Remember swimming was an early adopter of TWAW. Even when they rolled back on men in women's swimming, girls in competitions were still faced with this charmer in their changing rooms - needing another "rule change" from British swimming:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350741/Parents-raised-concerns-transgender-pool-official-using-womens-changing-room-time-young-girls.html

Few sports have behaved with any sign of fairness or ethics in relation to men in women's sport until forced to. Even now Seb Coe states that there should be no men in elite women's sport but at lower levels it's fine. Not sure where he thinks young elite sportswomen come from? 🙄

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/3735175-Maxine-Blythin-2019-Kent-Woman-Player-of-the-Year

https://x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1164511702244909056?lang=en

Things are changing because women are not going away. I can guarantee that all the well paid DEI post holders in the national sporting bodies are busy trying to undermine this return to fairness and equality for women. It's not over yet, despite the progress made.

Queer theory. Sissy porn. Men's rights activism. Woke ideology and victimhood/oppression culture. Purity spirals. Female conditioning.

Not read the whole thread but since most sports receive substantial amounts of public funding, the government do have levers to apply pressure. They could dictate that any sports that allow men in women’s sports are illegible for public funds.

Are you ok with men in women’s sports?

No, we don't.

He still has one.

Add centreing of identity politics

As pointed out by PP it started with the Gender Recognition Act in 2004. There was little public discussion about the act and those who did know thought creating the legal fiction of sex change was an act of kindness and compassion for a tiny number of people who struggled to accept the reality of their physically sexed body.

The potential for unintended consequences was discussed in parliament at the time, iirc John Redwood and Anne Widdecombe were very good at looking ahead and raising concerns about the problems we are seeing now. This is recorded in Hansard for anyone who would like to see the evidence.

The ink on the GRA was barely dry before various organisations were attempted mission creep. I'll link to a great thread from 2018 about what started happening in 2007. Some of us knew back then where we were heading and were called transphobic bigots for trying to highlight the problems of self ID.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

so you mean women should budge up and let men in their sports?

nope.

open events - fine
biological sex events - fine (with the caveat about transmen and testosterone making competition against women unfair, unfortunate for them)
trans based events - fine (but nobody enters those)

I enjoy watching sport. When I watch women’s sport I want to see elite female athletes not mediocre males.

How are you proposing UK politicians dictate to sporting bodies based outside the UK, when there is absolutely no onus upon them to pay the blindest bit of notice?

They could and should reform the GRA.

That way, sports bodies would only be able to segregate on biological sex.

They would also have the option of making all their categories open, if that floats their boat.

EI admitted changing publicly in a womens toilet and being chased out by a couple of teenage girls. He positioned himself as the victim. The interview was on the Bill Mahr show, I think it may also be in his autobiography but not read it.

Izzard uses womens toilets blatently and has been photographed entering them. Creep..

I am surprised that so many posters are surprised by this, many of us on FWR have been witnessing the 'mission creep' by men for going on for several years. Wonen can'teven hold a meeting theses days without masked protesters and bomb threats.