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lightinthebox · 19/07/2024 21:44

Regardless of your views of Just Stop Oil, we should all be worried.

This has gone through easily because people hate Just Stop Oil, it’s an easy target and has fooled people.

We should not be celebrating lengthy jail sentences for planning protests, we should be scared about what this means.

Not just that, but if peaceful protests equal a jail sentence then what’s to stop people from going to violence if they know they can’t protest.

People should stop and think, ignore your prejudice and see the bigger picture.

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GoldFrame · 23/07/2024 21:23

These stupid allegations are why this is not a serious debate

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 21:28

Ruminate2much · 23/07/2024 20:22

Some really scary posters on this thread!
Of course these sentences are ridiculously excessive, when serious violent criminals get less, and when prisons are collapsing.
Oh, and yes, I have read the judges remarks. Downloaded it this afternoon.
The judge probably has shares in big oil.
I don't like the tactics of JSO at all by the way, but it's just so obviously bonkers to sentence people, who are trying to save the human race, with years in jail. It's the lying politicians and multi-millionaire planet wreckers who deserve jail. It's all so topsy turvy.
What's happened to Mumsnet lately anyway? Overrun with right-wing trolls and climate change deniers.
Glad there are some lovely people here speaking sense.
#savetheplanet 🌏
#freethefive

Your post is completely nuts!

Stopping people attending medical appointments for treatment/diagnosis/follow up is cruel and causes physical harm. It is not peaceful protest.

To insinuate the judge has shares in big oil is disgusting.

Many people take medications 5 times a day or more. Is it ok for members of the public to miss medication doses because they’ve been held up unexpectedly by JSO? Physical harm.

If I missed a dose of anticoagulant and had a stroke as a result I would be coming for you !!!!

SoreAndTired1 · 24/07/2024 05:37

I haven't RTFT but for those who feel sorry for these hateful, malignant little germs; Her group caused the death of a stroke victim (strokes is a particular situation where every minute counts) in an ambulance that was blocked!

Also someone fighting an aggressive form of cancer missed their appointment at a cancer clinic and had to wait two months for another appointment. That was as good as they were able to get for another appointment.

These people are murderers basically. Maggots. How would YOU feel, if it were your mother who died in that ambulance? Or YOUR mother or daughter or sister who had an aggressive form of cancer, stopped them from attending an important appointment, and then had to wait a further TWO....MONTHS for a new one? Because some middle class to upper class rich and bored ill brought up spoiled brat (and almost all of them are rich or at least middle class, the Cressida creature's father is a director of operas around the UK and she went to an elite private school) blocked your ambulance or cancer transport? Huh? How would you feel? What if it was your daughter who missed her chemo appointment?

I also read the blockage caused two cars to collide, one man had a heart attack in the blockae, and a mother needing to get her sick child to hospital begged and pleaded to be let through. They refused. The leader of this group proudly said he would refuse an ambulance to go through and "feel no guilt". As the daughter of someone who has MS and has a serious lung disease and has had to have CPR in the back of an ambulance and has been clinically dead 3 times, and as someone who is facing breast cancer treatment myself, I don't care how angry or violent I come across on this; these scum either need a bullet to the head or kept isolated from society permanently. She and this group are basically murderers! 4 years for this is not enough! Imo it should be a minimum of 15 years. And murder and manslaughter charges. FFS, 4 years is outrageously pitiful. The (LETHAL) flow on effects from their stunt should at least have them up on manslaughter charges. At the very least.

And Cressida's trashy mother who didn't do her job as a mother and raise her properly, is now whingeing that her daughter will miss her brothers wedding! Oh boo fucking hoo! As the below showed, many others missed funerals due to her stunt, a man missed his father's funeral and said he'd never forgive the group. Others missed weddings. Many are saying they should find the date and address and details of the wedding and stage an impromptu 'Just Stop Oil' blockade near the brother's wedding facility. I bet her family would be screaming if they couldn't make her brother's wedding!

That people feel sorry for these lifeforms from the sewer is maddening. That people actually believe any of them care about the environment, shows how gullible people are. These shallow narcissistic sociopaths don't even actually care about the environment, they never did, that's a cover; they are simply bored little rich kids who can't graffiti or anything lower class like that, so this is how they destroy and damage society without making daddy look too bad. And being part of something, being part of anything, is important to these kids. They don't particularly care what it is. These maggots have no use or worth to society. Removing them and isolating them permanently from civilised society is the safest thing for innocent civilised society and for the environment. Sentencing impact remarks:

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sashh · 24/07/2024 06:54

Whammyammy · 23/07/2024 09:40

I wonder how many people missed relatives weddings/christenings/birthdays etc due ti her idiotic criminal daughters actions?

Lots the judge identified some in his sentencing remarks.

And it wasn't just happy events people missed it was also cancer treatment, a funeral, work with the hours needed to be caught up.

I also wonder how many car's Cressida's brother will have at his wedding.

And an ebil part of my mind hopes someone delays them getting to the wedding venue.

sadabouti · 24/07/2024 08:13

If you falsely detain an individual, that's classed as a serious violent offence. If you attempt to falsely detain millions in a deliberate traffic stoppage, apparently that's ok and/or not worthy of appropriate punishment, provided it's for a political aim that you happen to agree with. This seems to be the logic of some posters. Misguided tosh. To paraphrase Stalin, the false imprisonment of one is a tragedy. The false imprisonment of millions is just a statistic. Time for PPs handwringing about justice to grow up and join the adult world where actions have consequences and illegal behaviours exceeding the right of lawful protest are punished.

sadabouti · 24/07/2024 08:15

I do love the fact that MN is not an echo chamber though. It's why I come here.

macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:35

One of them was given 4 years jail time for “conspiracy to cause a public nuisance”
so those comparing it to terrorism, it really isn’t the same.

The sentences are outrageous when compared to other crimes (attached graph)

The sentences are shocking and set a scary precedent. If you don’t have money or power soon you won’t have a voice either.

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macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:37

Those bemoaning them for having a posh mum, imagine how bad it will be for to protestors one day who don’t even have posh families.

Whether you agree with their message or not or their form of protest or not, we need to protect our ability to protest as a public.

SoreAndTired1 · 24/07/2024 12:58

macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:35

One of them was given 4 years jail time for “conspiracy to cause a public nuisance”
so those comparing it to terrorism, it really isn’t the same.

The sentences are outrageous when compared to other crimes (attached graph)

The sentences are shocking and set a scary precedent. If you don’t have money or power soon you won’t have a voice either.

This group caused the DEATHS of at least 3 people. I think that justifies their spot on the graph.

SoreAndTired1 · 24/07/2024 13:00

macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:37

Those bemoaning them for having a posh mum, imagine how bad it will be for to protestors one day who don’t even have posh families.

Whether you agree with their message or not or their form of protest or not, we need to protect our ability to protest as a public.

we need to protect our ability to protest as a public.

Protest via peaceful means that don't disrupt, yes. Causing people to die? NO! This group are not your average protesters. The ability to (lawfully and peacefully) protest is not under threat. And still isn't after this verdict.

DownNative · 24/07/2024 13:07

macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:35

One of them was given 4 years jail time for “conspiracy to cause a public nuisance”
so those comparing it to terrorism, it really isn’t the same.

The sentences are outrageous when compared to other crimes (attached graph)

The sentences are shocking and set a scary precedent. If you don’t have money or power soon you won’t have a voice either.

I suggest you read the judge's Sentencing Remarks concerning the sheer extent of the five JSO convicts' plan for widespread disruption.

If their plan had worked as they intended, they'd be sentenced to 10 years in prison for it.

Let's not minimise their actions - they're fanatical Extremists which is close to but not quite Terrorism. There is some overlap between an Extremist and a Terrorist.

Additionally, it doesn't make sense to compare the JSO sentences with AVERAGE sentences of other unrelated crimes. You'd have to compare those averages with the averages for those convicted of conspiracy instead.

Again, let's not minimise what JSO planned and let's stop the Whataboutery Fallacy.

GoldFrame · 24/07/2024 18:06

macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:37

Those bemoaning them for having a posh mum, imagine how bad it will be for to protestors one day who don’t even have posh families.

Whether you agree with their message or not or their form of protest or not, we need to protect our ability to protest as a public.

They were not jailed for protesting but for public order offences. Peaceful protest goes on daily in this country.

There were also High Court injunctions in place to prevent disruption to the highways.

They then tried to disrupt the court proceedings. None of this is acceptable.

Please read the sentencing remarks, watch the video linked to above. It will give you a much more nuanced view than the press reports

sashh · 25/07/2024 04:19

macaroniandcheeze · 24/07/2024 12:35

One of them was given 4 years jail time for “conspiracy to cause a public nuisance”
so those comparing it to terrorism, it really isn’t the same.

The sentences are outrageous when compared to other crimes (attached graph)

The sentences are shocking and set a scary precedent. If you don’t have money or power soon you won’t have a voice either.

They all have previous convictions. They were all in breach of bail conditions.

Hallam was planning to have drones fly over heathrow airport. He seems to jump on anything he can use as an excuse to disrupt society.

What they were planning was far worse than the disruption caused, they wanted to fill the M25 with traffic that could not move, hoping that would cause gridlock across London and the surrounding area.

The judge actually removed some of the conditions of the previous crimes.

When you have someone with a suspended sentence who breaks the conditions of that sentence and gos on to commit another crime, then another at some point they will go to jail.

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