No more Protest

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Regardless of your views of Just Stop Oil, we should all be worried.

This has gone through easily because people hate Just Stop Oil, it’s an easy target and has fooled people.

We should not be celebrating lengthy jail sentences for planning protests, we should be scared about what this means.

Not just that, but if peaceful protests equal a jail sentence then what’s to stop people from going to violence if they know they can’t protest.

People should stop and think, ignore your prejudice and see the bigger picture.

Instead of reading media articles that does NOT present the full context of the situation, how about you read the Judge's Sentencing Remarks?

Everything is explained there.

I'm actually starting to question the validity of some of the posts here tbh. They're so extreme, and so Daily Mail/GB News ish.
Some of the posts actually put a lump in my throat. The vicious, vengeful nature of them. But, maybe I shouldn't take them so seriously? 🤔

Anyway, I have to leave this thread, for the sake of my mental health. I'll leave you all to it.

Solidarity with those who feel a similar way to me on here. Glad there are a fair few of us 💚

That's exactly what I was saying. It's psychological because people are in fear of, as I said, death or bodily harm. Otoh, nobody is terrorized by inconvience.
Yes, targeting infrastructure is part of it. It terrorizes people because people get hurt when buildings, bridges, or whatever, are blown up.

Cyber-terrorism, otoh, is in a different class of terrorism from physical acts which are designed to terrorize, but nonetheless is terrorism. That's about the fear of being financially wiped out or losing crucial information.
The key is fear. Do people live in genuine, reasonable fear of road blockages?

It's cognitive dissonance at play.

"The inconsistency between what people believe and how they behave motivates them to engage in actions that will help minimize feelings of discomfort. People attempt to relieve this tension in different ways, such as by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding new information."

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-cognitive-dissonance-2795012

Psychological discomfort which explains the refusal to actually read the Judge's Sentencing Remarks in favour of media articles that DOESN'T reflect the whole situation.

It's all too common.

FYI, people don't necessarily get hurt physically when civilian infrastructure is blown up. But it can still cause psychological distress all the same.

Like I said before, JSO are more like Extremists than Terrorists although there is some degree of overlap between the two. The Judge did assert that:

"....your fanaticism makes you entirely heedless of the rights of your fellow citizens. You have taken it upon yourselves to decide that your fellow citizens must suffer disruption and harm, and how much disruption and harm they must suffer, simply so that you may parade your views."

Both Extremists and Terrorists are fanatics who do what they do with out consultation with the people. And without a democratic mandate.

As for your final line, see attachment. They would have had a much longer sentence had they succeeded in making the situation as bad they planned to.

10 years would have been handed down instead. 👇

Again, I'm not interested in opinions of journalists. The judge has passed sentence.

I don't know British law, but it's safe to assume there are other areas of law in which you can be convicted based on potential for harm. For example, drunk driving and selling drugs.
I do think that in this case, the potential for harm is difficult to establish. The potential harm people on here are talking about is not letting ambulances get by. So if another group did the same thing, but let ambulances and other emergency vehicles through, there goes the potential. However, something tells me they would still have been convicted and the same sadists would be getting orgasmic over a harsh sentence. They're pretending it's about ambulances when it's really about being inconvenienced.

Chris Packham and Dale Vince? Seriously?

Oh yes, they are definitely extremists. Terrorists, otoh, is a stretch.

The Judge explains the potential harm the five JSO convicts planned to cause had they ultimately succeeded in their plan.

The potential harm exceeded what has been posted in this thread.

This is precisely why people shouldn't be relying on media reports when they have the option of actually reading the Judge's explanation.

Let's not minimise the case by trying to claim its about people merely being inconvenienced.

Especially as you personally admitted you're not familiar with British law.

I'm not saying the judgement was about being inconvenienced. I'm saying the ghoulish types in this thread (who are rubbing their hands together in glee over the sentencing and wishing people abject misery) are actually more angry about the inconvenience than the potential for harm. Sadists aren't motivated by a concern for harm to others.
I'm not familiar with UK law, but unfortunately, I am familiar with sadists.

Protesters do not have carte blanche to behave as they wish in furthering their cause.

Lots also probably purposefully ignoring the fact that all of them had previous convictions, and all were on bail at the time which was a contributor to the sentencing, and rightly so- this applies to anyone. They were also highly disruptive in court which shows their contempt for the law and the likliehood they'll just carry on doing as they please.

I don't think the sentences are too lengthy, I think the sentences for other crimes are often too short though.

I believe in the climate emergency, but their 'protests' aren't doing anything to help, if anything they're annoying people more and turning them away from the cause.

On the contrary, you ARE referring to the case itself! 👇

"I do think that in this case, the potential for harm is difficult to establish. The potential harm people on here are talking about is not letting ambulances get by. So if another group did the same thing, but let ambulances and other emergency vehicles through, there goes the potential."

As we can see in the Judge's Sentencing Remarks, the potential for harm was NOT difficult to establish thanks to the JSO convicts' own Zoom call evidence!

It was very much part of the evidence against JSO five.

So, the rest of your assertion there falls away.

After this, you then switch to posters in this thread. 👇

"However, something tells me they would still have been convicted and the same sadists would be getting orgasmic over a harsh sentence. They're pretending it's about ambulances when it's really about being inconvenienced."

Which is also irrelevant in light of what the Judge said about the sheer scale of the potential harm the five JSO convicts intended to cause.

It's ridiculous to focus on what posters in this thread may or may not have said when you still have access to the Judge's Sentencing Remarks!

You were still incorrect to say that you think "in this case the potential for harm is difficult to establish"!

In law, the correct decision was reached at trial regarding the five JSO convicts.

Correct decision.

@sadabouti

They are zealots, fuelled by their own self righteousness (basically engaged in mild forms of terrorism). They've achieved nothing but the tightening of legal controls on the right to protest and prison sentences for their leaders.

This. All over.

I should have been clearer. I meant in the case of a protest, not this one in particular. That's why I gave the example of a similar protest in which ambulances got through. Maybe nobody would have died if they hadn't gone through and maybe somebody would have. That's what's difficult to say, in general, because we don't know the condition of the person in it.

Yes, I am focusing on what people in this thread say, because it's a discussion.
You're not going to browbeat me into reading something I'm not interested in reading, so please just stop.

This is why your opinion is worthless, as you won’t look at the actual facts

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I'm sure you love typing "your opinion is worthless." Getting frustrated, are you?
Then stop talking to me. Problem solved.

@XChrome why won’t you read the judgment?

Explained previously. Why do you keeping nagging me about it?

You can’t properly formulate an opinion if you don’t know the facts

Again, I don't have an opinion on the sentence and am not currently interested in developing one.
Please stop posting to me if you are going to keep being a broken record. I'll ignore any future posts which are of a browbeating nature.

I never understand JSO protests in this country considering we produce such a tiny % of pollution compared to other countries around the globe. Like it or not, we still need oil. We can’t build solar panels and wind turbines over all the fields because we are an island and need to protect our food security. We can’t just buy in everything we need and rely on other countries. And where do all those wind turbines and solar panels come from? China. What happens to solar panels once they’ve reached the end of their useful lives? You can’t just stop oil.

If you don’t have an interest in the sentence why are you on this thread?

Many other crimes should also receive fairer sentences. Eg peds should get a life sentence without parole, rapists minimum 20 years.

And domestic terrorists who've already killed people and were scheming to cause horrifying chaos in an attack on the public, especially those with criminal histories, are unrepentant criminals and must be properly and fairly sentenced, to protect the public and discourage other would be criminals.

For once, the judge got it exactly right.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1686269/Just-Stop-Oil-Dartford-Bridge-M20-Lisa-Webber-BMW-Mark-Heap-CPR-ont

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/just-stop-oil-waterloo-bridge-ambulance-b2443700.html

I read that JSO were actually founded and funded by an oil heiress. She's either an idiot because the world now absolutely loathes JSO, or a genius.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/19/just-stop-oil-bankrolled-non-profit-funded-oil-heiress/