coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

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AIBU to think these kids need a little bit more of this plain speaking in their lives! If I had been that driver, I would simply have refused to drive them home, and just left them there. Poor guy had no choice but to make them behave, or not drive them as they were unsafe.

I imagine it has done them the world of good to hear what people actually think of them. I can't think why the school is complaining, rather than thanking him

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqo

And this will result in no school trip or extra curricular things anymore, because you can't exclude the little cherubs from taking part because as is oft stated here, consequences should never happen for any level of behaviour, because its so damaging for them to be told they have done something wrong, and of course if what they have done is wrong? They've been failed and its someone else's fault!

7 teachers on that bus and they had kids smoking, getting up and walking about and behaving badly.

Complete failure on the part of the teaching staff. I can empathise with how frustrated the driver must have been feeling, he was supposed to be focused on driving and instead he had a load of kids old enough to know better acting like little gits while 7 adults who were responsible for managing the kids apparently ignored it.

Having said that he was over the top in how he demonstrated his frustration, he should have been able to rein his temper in and manage his own behaviour better than he did.

I will thank you. That's a few seconds of their day and I'm perfectly prepared to understand that the CSE/DV they've experienced, and the way the system has let them down, entitles them to feel furious at times. Then enjoy the times when they want to talk about their hopes and dreams, even though the world has done its best to knock those out of them.

I'll be told I'm a bleeding heart, but you listen and understand. When you hear these kids' stories, you realise they're not little shits, but they do have really shitty lives and it's amazing many of them cope as well as they do, so you do what you can to improve them. Build relationships.

@DuplicateUserName
Haha no 🙄

If you want to build a relationship with anyone calling you a cunt and throwing chairs at you, during the course of your working day, you crack on.

Well said @DuplicateUserName. Loads of kids from shitty backgrounds don't treat others like shit.

Yes, some people cope better than others in all sorts of situations for all sorts of reasons.

This is an example though of the world not bending to accommodate you.

hope the 7 teachers have been fired as well.

Its generally the parents/teachers that give up when their DC are being little shits that cause these issues with the breakdown in relationships. Thank god for people like @runbunny picking up these DC that have been failed.

Why is it the 'system' and 'education' who have let them down?
I'd say the system lets down all the children and teachers who are seen as collateral to all the wooly pandering and total lack of consequences to the verbally and physically aggressive, abusive, violent pupils and families.

I don't think the threats of violence were appropriate but as another poster pointed out I doubt this was the drivers first attempt at getting them to behave. The idea that teenagers will be traumatised by this is laughable, one of the boys seems to be arguing back even after the driver has threatened to punch people who don't comply. If this is what it took to get them to behave you have to ask why.

These children are old enough to understand simple instructions but they have chosen to ignore the rules because there are no consequences. The parents who are complaining only reinforce the idea that they are untouchable. If I'd told my parents about an incident like this I would likely have been punished by them for being a little shit so I'd have kept my mouth shut. Instead these teenagers are filming it secure in the knowledge that it is the driver rather than them who will be criticised.

Stopping the bus and waiting for parents to come and collect their children could have taken hours and then plenty of parents would also have complained about that too.

That's the parents job, clearly they've modelled bad behaviour and that's why they raised a brat.

Not the bus drivers job to sort it out.

Exactly, and I live in one of the poorest parts of London where anti-social behaviour and knife crime is off the scale.

The two things making that so much worse and actively putting kids in danger of going to prison, are the lack of police and the abundance of bleeding hearts like the PP.

In fact I'd love to know how many lives could have been saved if there were more police and less bleeding hearts.

Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if a driver did that now?

I'd actually love for a newspaper or a media outlet to interview the bus driver as I would really like to hear his side of the story.

"7 adults responsible for managing the behaviour of the kids" - the other people responsible for managing their behaviour was the "kids" themselves. They have massively let themselves down.

I think the responses here also show why our kids are so soft and disrespectful. Parents seem to take more offence and someone trying to teach their kid manners than the fact their kid has no manners. In my day, adults told you off if you played up and then your mum told you off a bit more. She didn't defend you being a prick.

Yes, I'd want a bus driver telling my kid off if she is being a shit. I'd hope she stopped by the time it got to a threat of violence. If it doesn't, she will learn a lesson won't she. Of course, if he did hit her I would be complaining but there's no smoke without fire and the line that the school would deal within their own behaviour policy is a load of shit. They won't do anything.

Not normally a fan of money grabbing go fund me set ups but if anybody sees one set up in support of this coach driver, I’d happily donate.

Why? It's ok for him to talk to a teenage like this, but not an adult? It's ok for him to talk to a 15 yo like this but not a 5 yo? Where's the line? Is it just say 12-17 years old this behaviour is acceptable against? If I can swear and threaten a 15 yo at work why not my own?

Yes, that's all part of the system

I wondered this too.

As for the talk about PRUs having the time and expertise and staffing levels to address the behaviours of these type of kids... I wish! The one local to me is where no one, and I mean no one, certainly not the useless parents of kids like this, want their children to go. It's seen as being staffed by well-meaning but essentially ineffectual staff where at best, your kid might be taught for a couple of low level entry level qualifications.

Can you link to where he was sacked, because the only reports I've seen have said he was no longer working for the coach company the following day?

You know nothing about this man yet you see fit to suggest he abuses his wife and family. THAT’S what is an offensive stretch.

so would I

So still no personal or parental responsibility?
They're all absolutely powerless and have to behave like this because 'the system made me do it'?