coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

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AIBU to think these kids need a little bit more of this plain speaking in their lives! If I had been that driver, I would simply have refused to drive them home, and just left them there. Poor guy had no choice but to make them behave, or not drive them as they were unsafe.

I imagine it has done them the world of good to hear what people actually think of them. I can't think why the school is complaining, rather than thanking him

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqo

No because I wouldn't raise kids like that so they wouldnt be shouted at in the first place.
These kids have 0 respect for authority and need parents with backbones and balls. Gentle parenting bull.

What do you mean? That this behaviour never happens and is made up by the tabloids?

And it was just the drivers behaviour that terrified her? So ok with the abusive thuggery of the pupils? Am sure it'll be fine as can't imagine any companies jumping to accept jobs from the school so no more trips anyway!

I remember a teacher losing his temper at school and really shouting at us and the throwing a book across the class and dragging a boy out of the class (he was playing up )

yes we were frightened in the moment but we absolutely loved the drama

we didn’t mess around so much from then on

I don’t think it’s bad that children see adults are human and we all have a breaking point

This thread hasn’t been posted on for a few days but couldn’t ignore this.

If you think the “bleeding hearts” have this much impact on the world then you’re more ignorant than you first appear. There’s not nearly enough schools which provide alternative provision. What do you propose is done with children who are permanently excluded from school? Sent straight to prison? A caring approach works with children who are acting out due to horrendous treatment by the adults in their life. Sometimes they have undiagnosed SEND. Ultimately their parents are responsible but not all children are lucky enough to be born to parents who give a fuck. Short of ensuring people have a license to reproduce, unfortunately there’s little that can be done about this.

anyway, you’ve got government cuts and their general fecklessness towards the lower class to thank for their handling of the most vulnerable people in our society.

Not all the students telling you to fuck off in the classroom, squaring up, answering back and being rude have ACES or SEN (diagnosed or on the pathway) or are LAC. That's just not true. Those who are vulnerable often do have to put up with the swagger, antics and brutality of those wanting to be sigma. If you work with young adults, you'll know this.

@Namechange2222238858 well they've certainly enough impact for us to end up where we are, and with the new 'never consequences ever' for behaviour?

This, I'm actually fed up with the bleeding hearts to only care about certain pupils, the shy, vulnerable pupils are forgotten and ridden rough shod over to make sure the aggressive violent dc aren't ever made to feel at fault or upset.

Last year of primary I saw my teacher really shouting at one of the boys in my class, had him by the jumper and was shaking him - can't remember now what he'd done, just that it was bad, like deliberately hurting or endangering another child bad. I told my DM what had happened and that he'd deserved it! It wasn't scary, probably because I knew why it was happening. It was very out of character though, he was a fantastic teacher usually.

As for buses and bus drivers, in secondary I think we drove a woman bus driver to a breakdown (not me personally, I was one of the quiet ones). She had no control over the troublemakers, they wouldn't listen to anything she said it was complete chaos on the bus when she was driving. One day she just stopped the bus - didn't pull over or anything, literally stopped in the road, stood up and started screaming at us. Eventually drove the last few minutes to the school and we never saw her again. That was more worrying, and I wondered what happened to her afterwards.