coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

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AIBU to think these kids need a little bit more of this plain speaking in their lives! If I had been that driver, I would simply have refused to drive them home, and just left them there. Poor guy had no choice but to make them behave, or not drive them as they were unsafe.

I imagine it has done them the world of good to hear what people actually think of them. I can't think why the school is complaining, rather than thanking him

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqo

Seems like the bus driver was doing the teachers’ jobs… nfw would I allow kids I teach to behave that way on the bus - I’d have told the driver to turn back and take them back to school long before the driver had chance to go on a tirade. The last trip I went on, I was stood up more than I was sat down, going up and down the aisles checking their behaviour.

Why on earth did no member of staff intervene during his rant?

Hopefully secretly thinking ‘Go Mr Bus Driver’ 😉 Trying to deal with those obnoxious brats all day had probably drained them of any energy they had left 🙄

Do people on here actually think pulling over and just sitting there wouldn't also have resulted in many many complaints??
The parents of the well behaved children would have been up in arms about it saying how it's not their child's fault and they shouldn't be "punished" alongside the badly behaved ones. Plus, the parents of the BADLY behaved children would also be complaining!
I'm not saying I agree with what the bus driver did. But people here are crazy if they think just pulling over and waiting would have resulted in anything other than sitting there ALL DAY and the children's parents refusing to come and get them and telling the school it is he schools responsibility to get the children somewhere safe.

If ds was on that bus and had that rant from the bus driver I would have told him, well you all should not have been messing about and put your seat belts on!

There is a big question of what the teachers were doing that is completely missing from the article. Perhaps the children were not responding to the 7 teachers and the bus driver, who will not have had behaviour training for teenagers, was trying his best to help them out the only way he knew how. If the opportunity was there and ds was involved in he disruption I would be apologising to the driver.

Maybe some parents would have complained, but that's OK because the incident would have been properly handled. This wasn't.

How are you gaining respect from pupils who tell you 'you're a fucking cunt and can't tell me what to do' who then proceed to throw furniture around the classroom, then the parents come to school and 'go nuclear' demanding apologies from the teacher for the trauma their child has had at being repressed from expression? Whatever you're doing should be replicated country wide!

So they'll be giving up their wages for the day as they were too 'drained' to earn them, and keep the kids safe?

Young people think that everyone will react to their poor behaviour in the measured, violence and swearing-free, patient way their teachers have to. In real life that is not the case. People will threaten them, swear at them and possibly hit them if they are being little shits. I hope this was a wake-up call for some.

Yeah all those 15 year old toddlers who needed mollycoddled in to putting out their smokes and putting on their seatbelts. Mummy’s pecious ickle pwinces 😉

Isn’t this the same school where the girls recorded themselves standing up to the teachers on gender ideology?
I might be totally wrong

I'll be told I'm a bleeding heart, but you listen and understand. When you hear these kids' stories, you realise they're not little shits, but they do have really shitty lives and it's amazing many of them cope as well as they do, so you do what you can to improve them. Build relationships.

Much easier to do in a PRU with high staff to children ratios, and where much of the day is dedicated to doing just that, than it is in mainstream, of course.

The kids on this bus probably don't all have that excuse, but seems fairly clear they're all being let down by their education, with completely ineffective teachers in charge of their wellbeing.

Our school bus driver used to make it clear - any misbehaving and he’s stop the bus and kick out EVERY school child. He did too, frequently. It was extremely effective when we were abandoned 20 min walk from home in the rain!

I suspect he had already asked, been ignored and wasn’t effectively backed up by the teachers several times before he escalated to this.

Seriously kids smoking and not wearing seatbelts with 7 teachers on board is pathetic. He shouldn’t have had to resort to this behaviour. He is probably being diligent in that if children aren’t wearing seatbelts he has overall liability as the driver.

Definitely not ideal. But if your kids are sat at the back smoking and back chatting in view of the driver AND their teachers then I’m sure this won’t damage them.

Why 'Let down by their education'? No personal or parental responsibilities for their behaviour?

They were smoking too - those naughty little cherubs.

The driver crossed the line, however as someone who works in this industry i can tell you that this behavior is not uncommon. In the past few months we have had -

Water bottles thrown at drivers when the vehicle was moving
Lazer pointers
seat belts deliberately tried to be cut through with compasses
Fabric on the back of seats completely ripped off
Vehicles having to be taken off the road as it has taken hours to clean food thrown around
chewing gum stick on seat and windows
chewing gum deliberately wedged into seatbelt clips so they no longer work.
Teachers who walk off the coach ignoring the litter and rubbish where kids have thrown stuff.

We have begged schools, begged parents to deal with it. Begged councils - threatened to not run services to which we are told we will be in breach of contract if we do.

We have swallowed thousands of pounds worth or damages, lost thousands in income having to take vehicles off road to repair deliberate damages.

The industry is on its arse as it is, and it is more than frustrating when a new vehicle 9 which can be anything between £270,000 and £330,000 is being destroyed by 'little darlings' and nothing is ever done about it -

And this is both School trips, home to School and Private Schools - they are all the same.

All the complainers - how are the teachers and drivers supposed to get the little shits to comply with the road regulations.
One child could result in a bus being held up for hours/ days if they decided not to put their seatbelt on.

Of course, I said it's all caused by multiple issues, but you can't pretend this school isn't failing these kids.

People need to remember the coach providers don’t owe anyone anything. Is a paid service that operates on the coach providers terms.

People saying he should have “pulled over and waited” for how long? What if he had another job to get to? Who’s paying for his time? It’s ridiculous.

I agree he went too far but think he was probably trying to regain control of a situation he had lost control of and thought throwing his weight around was the only option he had.

I doubt it, they were probably delighted to see someone making their class mates behave

Yeah, imagine all the pearl clutchers on here if the bus had been held up for several hours and their little treasures didn't get home til late/ missed their bus home/ missed their lunch/ important exam etc etc etc

I should say this is all alongside firm boundaries and consistent consequences. It's not all about being nice.

If that had been a PRU bus where I work (it would have been much smaller, which helps), only those children who had demonstrated they were able to behave in school would have been invited on the trip, children who didn't comply before they left school would have been left behind, and there would have been a contingency to remove and return any misbehaving children to school, long before they could "infect" the whole bus.

I'll be told I'm a bleeding heart, but you listen and understand. When you hear these kids' stories, you realise they're not little shits, but they do have really shitty lives and it's amazing many of them cope as well as they do, so you do what you can to improve them. Build relationships.

Haha no 🙄

If you want to build a relationship with anyone calling you a cunt and throwing chairs at you, during the course of your working day, you crack on.

The expectation that someone should build an infinite amount of fuck around time into their working day and business model is astonishing. These aren’t toddlers.