coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

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AIBU to think these kids need a little bit more of this plain speaking in their lives! If I had been that driver, I would simply have refused to drive them home, and just left them there. Poor guy had no choice but to make them behave, or not drive them as they were unsafe.

I imagine it has done them the world of good to hear what people actually think of them. I can't think why the school is complaining, rather than thanking him

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqo

I was thinking exactly the same!

Ah well. We don't save them all, but I could tell you lots of stories of kids on their way to prison, now doing decent work and staying out of trouble. We do make a difference and regularly get letters (and donations) from adults thankful for the support that "saved" them.

Your plan isn't working. You can say what it should be like as much as you like, but how are you going to make it happen?

He obviously was at the end of his tether. I'd like to know what was happening before that.

As for parking up and waiting, coach drivers have limits on the number of hours they can drive. I think it is about 9 hours.

The article says it is half way through a four hour journey, assuming he was the driver who had driven them to London he could have become stuck overnight.

All this talk about PRU’s and social deprivation and violent families. The most disruptive kids in DC’s school, who have behaved in the same way as these feral little shits on that coach, are the children of solicitors, medics etc who live in £500k houses overlooking the bay. They have incredible entitlement. This is not all about children from poorer backgrounds.

The bleeding hearts plans are entirely ineffective considering the massive rise in knife crime, and other anti-social behavior.

It doesn't matter if they get the odd thank you card and box of chocolates, try telling that to the parents of children who've been attacked by machetes.

I'm not going to make it happen because it's not my line of work.

The trouble is, those whose line of work it is, aren't doing a great job of making it happen either, no matter what they claim.

There were apparently SEVEN teachers on that coach.

What the hell were they doing?

It could be that this one is badly run, of course some are, just like schools and businesses, but also that people don't understand what we do.

What qualifications were the children going to get if they'd stayed in school? Most of the children we get aren't in any place to learn, and the initial work we do is in changing that. Depending on how old they are when they arrive (amazing how many schools find a way to chuck them out once it becomes clear they won't be passing GCSEs) that might mean we've prepared them for next steps. We have an amazing staff member who does all the "parent" work of supporting them through college applications and visits and keeps in touch inbtheirbforst term to make sure they're attending and have the support they need from the college, if parents arent doing that, for example.

It's a tragedy that so many children need it, but ignoring that and saying it's all the responsibility of parents who are never going to do it helps no one.

Actually knife crime has reduced over the last 5 years and the reason it's as high as it is entirely down to adults exploiting kids though county lines.

If you look at the FB page of the school involved, they’ve turned off comments on recent posts but a quick scroll through previous posts about new behaviour initiatives is very telling. Entitled parents and entitled kids.

Don't be ridiculous, of course an adult doesn't "have to" threaten and swear at children.

The kids should behave, of course, but it doesn't justify the adult, who should know better, behaving like this.

I bet the troublemakers LOVED the reaction that created.

of course he shouldn't have threatened to punch them

but the shouting and swearing at them I wouldn't have been bothered, they have a story now to tell and will love the drama of it all

and really what were the teachers doing

I agree that he shouldn’t have threatened the kids. That part was out of order..

However - it won’t hurt for the diisrupters to hear a few home truths and to be told what’s what. Not enough kids get disciplined these days.

If anything happened to the kids on that coach in an accident, it would have been the drivers fault for not making sure they had their seatbelts on. His liability only.

Where were the teachers, who were supposed to be keeping an eye out? They should have been insuring that the kids wear seatbelts and don’t smoke.

exactly! I do get a bit jaded with people always going on about poor little thugs, and all behaviour is communication, etc.

Most of the time, school children are behaving like shits because it is fun and they enjoy it

Sorry but this is complete bollocks about knife crime.

It's just not reported anywhere near as much (like most crimes) because the police are mostly able to do fuck all about it, considering there's nowhere near as many of them.

There's never a day that goes by lately where I'm not reading in my local FB group that kids have been threatened with knives in the local park, and the police RARELY turn up or if they do, it's up to 8 hours after the report!

People just don't bother anymore unless they've actually been stabbed.

I'm not sure what area you live and work in, but it's not the same as mine, or even the same planet by the sound of it 🌍

Yes exactly.

That is why so many kids are feral. They have never been disciplined like these kids were.

They got a taste of their own medicine as they know that no teacher can behave like the coach driver did so they act as if they are untouchable.

Serves them right.

I've not read the full thread, but why on earth were the seven teachers not ensuring the children were behaving correctly? Why was it down to the driver?

They should have been insuring that the kids wear seatbelts and don’t smoke.

Yes, call me old fashioned but this was one of my basic requirements when I sent my kids on school trips.

It's hard to imagine what the teachers were actually doing.

This.

But what could the teachers do? They probably asked them to put their seat belts on and unless they watch every single child for the whole journey there is nothing they can do if the kids decide to take them off.

I think the seven teachers should be sacked - they weren't safeguarding the yobs/children in their 'care', in what was a very dangerous situation. Their commotion could have caused an accident.

How very entitled that the little darlings thought it was acceptable to litter the coach, light up their cigarettes and ignore the adults who were there to ensure the safety of everyone.

How dangerous that they thought they could randomly move around the moving vehicle and blatantly ignore safety rules.

It's a very sad state when your children are so intimidating that the teachers daren't intervene.

I wonder how the teachers felt. The fact they didn’t intervene speaks volumes. Probably secretly enjoying it!

If that happened then I don't think that any teachers would ever go on a school trip again.

It is not the teachers' faults. It is the parents' faults.

If the teachers failed to carry out their duties correctly then absolutely there should be disciplinary action.

But for all we know, the kids put their seat belts on at the start of the journey and then undid them while moving. How the fuck are teachers supposed to deal with that unless they're walking up and down the moving coach non stop?

He should not have used bad language but to be honest safety was his first concern and he did what he needed to do to get them to comply. If this was my child I would be humiliated that they could not behave and if the teachers can't control them they are not safe to be taking them on a trip.