coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

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AIBU to think these kids need a little bit more of this plain speaking in their lives! If I had been that driver, I would simply have refused to drive them home, and just left them there. Poor guy had no choice but to make them behave, or not drive them as they were unsafe.

I imagine it has done them the world of good to hear what people actually think of them. I can't think why the school is complaining, rather than thanking him

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqo

Seriously, you’d be ok with an adult threatening to fucking punch your child?

No, he was completely inappropriate and I would expect him to be removed from any duties involving children.

If they aren’t safe he should park the bus until they are. If necessary parents should have to collect them from wherever the bus is. But being abusive is not on.

It’ll not do them any harm but he went over the top with the language and the threats, although I can imagine it was a very frustrating situation. He should’ve just stopped the coach. I think that aside from complaining the school and the parents might want to consider why a bus driver felt the need to react in this way?

If he was being thuggish, defiant, unsafe, etc, and if it was what it took to make him sit down and put his belt on...

It does seem to have been a- needed and b- effective!

I recently enjoyed seeing an unruly pupil on a public bus being told exactly what's what by a member of the public who labours under none of the constraints that teachers do - TBH - he could have done with hearing it 5 years ago!

No, you have to model the behaviour you want with teens. No point saying they can't threaten to punch people and swear if people do that to them.

But the odd bit about this was what happened that 7 teachers weren't handling the smoking and lack of seat belt wearing. I feel like the article misses out a step.

Are you serious? That’s what you want children to learn? Fair enough if he just sat there and didn’t move but threatening to punch them?

I was about to agree with you until I watched that video, but abso-fucking-lutely not! A grown man shouting and sweating at children and repeatedly threatening to assault and punch them in the mouth??!! Going by the very likely chance that the issues were being caused by a small handful of pupils, the rest of the children who were behaving would have been fucking terrified at that driver behaving like that! If I saw a man acting towards anyone like that in public I’d have phoned the police! If there was that much of a problem with the children’s behaviour then there’s so many ways of solving it rather than calling them fucking cunts and threatening to punch their heads in. You actually think this is ok??

Yes, that is what I would have done, just parked the bus and refused to drive, and made parents come and collect their children.

I think they got away very lightly with just being shouted at until they complied

Yes, remove him from duties involving children 😂I am sure it is his dearest wish! and if he is rewarded like that, I am sure other coach drivers will do the same in the hope of the same reward!

Why haven’t the school made any comment on the teachers failing to do their job of keeping the kids under control and following rules? And why aren’t the parents making any comments about their children’s behaviour?

The coach driver went too far. He should have just stopped, and informed the teachers that they would need to remove the children who were ignoring safety rules and contact parents to collect, so he should lose his job for going too far. But the school need to take responsibility and so do the parents.

I wonder about what goes on in your head if you find this acceptable.

Imo he should of refused to drive them and tell the members of staff what’s happening and wait until everything dealt with before starting the journey.

How you can listen to the video and find the way he spoke to children acceptable is beyond me.

He did not handle it well, personally he should have driven to the side and told the teachers (7 of them!) To control the teenagers or he wouldn't be moving.

But so many other issues to unpick here. The teenagers behaviour, why the teachers weren't managing to control it

He should not have responded like that.
He should have refused to drive until the staff dealt with the pupils.

How come we didn’t hear the other adults on the bus? Both trying to calm the bus driver but also getting the students to put their seatbelts on.
I’m assuming their behaviour had been quite challenging before this rant (not excusing the language he used)

You think saying "I'll punch you on the fucking mouth" to children is ok? It's not, It's despicable. I'm not surprised one of the girls on the coach said she never wants to go on a school trip again. She must have been terrified. I don't doubt a few of the kids were being disruptive but that's not excuse for yelling and threatening them with violence.

No. Just absolutely no. Parking the bus and /or expecting staff to remove the disruptive pupils to make their own way home I’d support. His behaviour was not just “shouting at” and “getting off lightly”, nor would it be something I’d be ok with children copying or thinking is a good strategy to get someone to do something.

Please tell me you don’t work with children.

Even in the video, you see kids starting to put their belts on. The driver also says, “next time one of you gets up…” so they weren’t just refusing to wear seatbelts, they were getting up and messing around. Everyone one of those kids would become a projectile if that his had to stop or got in an accident, and the force of them flying forwards could lull someone in front of them. What the hell were the 7 teachers doing? That they allowed the kids to behave that way.

Yes, remove him from duties involving children 😂I am sure it is his dearest wish! and if he is rewarded like that, I am sure other coach drivers will do the same in the hope of the same reward!
Yep can imagine 'now look Jim you can't do any of the runs that involve schools anymore'... "oh no, how awful, they're such a pleasure too"..

The 7 teachers were not allowed to deal with the behaviour effectively - you see what needs to be said and done to make those children comply - teachers are not allowed to do that

What were the teachers doing? Probably feverishly searching the new manual released 5 minutes ago for how exactly they are allowed to manage the behaviour of the pupils without being accused of abuse/damaging them mentally/causing trauma?

If he hadn't threatened them I'd fully agree with you. But as a parent I wouldn't have conplained.

Well obviously he is not well suited to working with teenagers. I doubt they were mentally scarred, and I do wonder what their teachers were doing (possibly sitting with a "No, wait, let's hear the man out" expression).

Why did the teachers not say or do anything. The driver was dealing with smoking, littering, no seatbelts. The teachers need sacking not the driver. The driver did a good job. I hope he gets other work. Who raised kids that are so badly behaved and disrespectful? Loser parents is the answer.

I don't agree - I think threatening violence was well across the line. However if it had just been swearing 'get your fucking seatbelts on' etc then I think perhaps I'd have a lot more sympathy, and yes, hope it was the shock they needed to realise people in the real world won't put up with their shit.

However - I was stunned to realise there were teachers actually on the bus! Wtf?! How did it get to the point where there were people getting out of seats, smoking, god knows what else and the teachers are doing what? Sitting there like a wet flannel asking the bus driver to 'moderate his language' while the children they're supposed to be in charge of are causing carnage?! I'd certainly not be advertising how completely bloody ineffective all the staff are in the national media if I were the school, but there you go.

*If he was being thuggish, defiant, unsafe, etc, and if it was what it took to make him sit down and put his belt on...

It does seem to have been a- needed and b- effective!*

Because what we need in society are more aggressive, potentially violent men setting standards for our young people.

OP your comments are borderline weird.